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If the dark cabal wanted Clinton or McCain to win, I'm of the opinion they would have won.

That is where we disagree. I do not think the elite/cabal is all that powerful. They also have internal struggle to deal with. They are way behind schedual. They can only operate in the shadows. As the level of Mass Consciousness/Awarness/Light grows, the darkness has no choice but withdrawing. This is what we are seeing in the world now. Humanity is millions of times more powerful than any tiny little elite. But all that power has been bled away through divide/concquer tactics etc etc. This is really starting to change now as more and more people see through the false because their Awareness level is raising. Obama had a very unifying effect on so many people around the world (not least the black populations). If he is indeed a man of high integrity and does the right things this effect will keep growing. If not you can always argue that he gave people "false hope". But as you say: time will show.

When it comes to channeled messages each person must use discernment. That means to simply read it with an open mind and see if it feels right or if you get a lot of discord/resistance. If you get resistance you must see why that is. Is it based on some "knowledge" you think you know from before, or is it deeper? In other words; is the discord/resistance mental, or is it from the very core of your Being/Heart? Is it judgmental or is it intuitive? That is up to each to decide for themselves.

Sanat wrote:

When it comes to channeled messages each person must use discernment. That means to simply read it with an open mind and see if it feels right or if you get a lot of discord/resistance. If you get resistance you must see why that is. Is it based on some "knowledge" you think you know from before, or is it deeper? In other words; is the discord/resistance mental, or is it from the very core of your Being/Heart? Is it judgmental or is it intuitive? That is up to each to decide for themselves.

exactly how i feel/think about this, sanat...

it seems to me that if my reaction to info is toward
extreme discomfort or confusion, i need to dig
deeper to know why i am reacting that way
(exploring my judgements)

when info is presented which simply feels "wrong"
but elicits no extreme response, i discard it
(listening to my intuition)

does that make sense?

Winehippie:

It makes perfect sense to me yes. There is both truth and distortion in everything, so discernment must be used at all times.

Sanat wrote:

discernment must be used at all times.

It's the judgment card in the tarot. You couldn't avoid it. Just a matter of in what way.

judgment is mental. It's condemning some impurity in your own ego/mind complex that is reflected back to you from outside reality (something seen in other people most often, but also in info/art/movies etc). Than judgment happens if the individual don't want to really look into it by looking at him/her self.

Real discernment is different. It does not condemn (if it does it is hardly discernment). Understanding does not need to condemn because it simply understands. Condemnation comes from lack of understanding. In most people discernment is very colored by judgment/condemnation however, but at least discernment is an effort to go beyond that. Judgment is mental and "automatic" response. Discernment is of the Heart/Beingness and should be intuiative (that is; totally free in the moment, and thus not attached to any past conditioned response and "knowledge").

Sanat......

Dictionary wrote:

discernment
n.
1. The act or process of exhibiting keen insight and good judgment.
2. Keenness of insight and judgment.

Dictionary wrote:

Judgment:
a. The mental ability to perceive and distinguish relationships; discernment:

I really can't believe this statement, please tell me you made a mistake.

" judgment is mental. It's condemning some impurity in your own ego/mind complex that is reflected back to you from outside reality (something seen in other people most often, but also in info/art/movies etc). Than judgment happens if the individual don't want to really look into it by looking at him/her self."

In the first five words, you are already 'condemning'. The decision is made! Where is the judgment? Where is the judgment if the decision is made? From this stance, you make a case against the Ego/mind. What 'impurity' of thought are you referring to? This smacks of religious doctrine that controlled our world for hundreds of years. GUILT! SHAME!.
In brackets you say "( something seen in other people most often, but also in info/art/movies etc) , This would suggest that we should not have thoughts, good or bad . Maybe we should be ONE thought.., the thought of ONE..............the thought of the one ELITE! Who controls the arts/media/movies etc? Would it not be in their interest , as power freaks, to control our thoughts, otherwise they would be the same as us......, ordinary beings evolving through experience. Slow the experience and what do you have...a hierarchy! If I can convince my neighbour that there is something wrong with him, and my neighbour is loving honest and naive, I can have control over him.!
All I've got to do is convince him that GUILT and SHAME exist in the world....., and that he has some.! Gotcha!
We all have thoughts, good and bad, but we can decide what we do with those thoughts.., whether or not we hang on to them or let
them go. Discernment, knowing right from wrong. But sometimes we can be led astray by smooth talkers, whom at first, seem
so knowledgeable, then our discernment is questionable, dependent upon our experience of the world. Intuition can be deceived because it's not 'tangible'., unseen.
Most of us on here are aware of a world that is not what it seems. We are looking for truth.
But in the looking ., you can't see!
Unfortunately, the power freaks know this and are away ahead of the game.
They realise the old religions were going out of vogue and a 'new' way of thinking was needed, so they were prepared.
What have we got today that's different from the old style religion, seriously ask yourself.., if you are honest., you'll see the cultural and different way of worshipping from the old way. But nothing else.., just a different way of worshipping the ineffable.
The old style christians are still stuck in their beliefs, the muslims in theirs, the jews.....etc.
So a new way of 'seeking' that which you have disowned.
How can worshipping an object, a being that died years ago, the way we dress, a wall, anything...., anything other than ourselves, bring us salvation, Salvation from WHAT!! Salvation means we have done something wrong..We were born innocent, how the feck could we do anything wrong unless we were TOLD that it was wrong. If our parents and ancestors believed we did something wrong, and that's our 'culture', then who am I to question it?? that would make me different, not part of that culture. Who would want that?: Culture can be manipulated., and it has been. Culture can be absolutely beautiful, it's diverse and makes us unique.
It makes us the interesting species that we are. We could spend several lifetimes just enjoying and learning from all the diverse cultures that exist in the world today., at this moment.
It's great to see other countries and sometimes we fall in love with the way of life, but we know in our hearts we could never be the same as them, because we have our own culture and the uniqueness of the other is alluring. But they're thinking the same about your society.
The one thing they all have in common is; there's SOMETHING bigger than themselves........... Isn't that great!
The 'KNOWING',..so why try to explain the 'unknowable'.
CONTROL.
Within every country and city., within every town and village, within every committe that is formed.. there will be always be someone with the desire to control.
That someone has a weakness in themselves., a weakness that they can't face. The reason for their being here in this lifetime, the opportunity to grow and move on. But., facing it and doing it is so hard that it can lead to addiction, powerlessness (victim),
or a control freak, whatever. The weak will try and convince others they are weaker in order to hide their own weakness. That is why it is imperative to be your own person, to question everything and everyone.
Not to fall for flowery words or ideals, but follow your heart., love yourself first and foremost.
Gurus, political leaders, bullies even.., will always prey on those that don't know themselves.
Look to the beauty within. you don't need a gobshite to tell you how wonderful you are........You were just made that way, wonderful!! You don't need anyone to promise you something in the future if you behave in a certain manner, and to have faith in what they say,....., if you meditate whilst breathing a certain way, if you say OOHHMM or whatever. Is that any different than praying to statues, or a 'wailing wall' or women wearing strange clothes that cover their bodies. Are they better than you, did 'God' make a distinction in humans that he made 'Gurus' because 'He' made you more stupid than them?
You don't need someone to tell you " you are One". WE ARE ONE...but individual in our uniqueness and our ego makes us unique by giving us personality. To take away that uniqueness gives the controllers an easier task, a world of mindless drones easy to control and the best way to do that is by controlling the thing we, as humans., all humans,., have in common....knowing the UNKNOWABLE. Make it a mystery when indeed there is no mystery. Thus create doubt. Nothing exist in this world if you don't exist to realise it exist. Simple as that. Therefore what is the most important thing in this world...,DUH!!... YOU! The Great Creator made you to know you.. to love youself, not Him/It. The Creator already exist and doesn't need your worship....He knows His worth.
Are you going to give that special gift of your being to some 'guru' who thinks he knows better than the Great One, just because you think He didn't make a good enough job. It's called low self worth otherwise, the recognision that someone can improve on 'Gods' work.

The Great Creator, the Source of all, may I always be part of Him, but always my unique being.!

pilgrim wrote:

I really can't believe this statement, please tell me you made a mistake.

" judgment is mental. It's condemning some impurity in your own ego/mind complex that is reflected back to you from outside reality (something seen in other people most often, but also in info/art/movies etc). Than judgment happens if the individual don't want to really look into it by looking at him/her self."

In the first five words, you are already 'condemning'. The decision is made! Where is the judgment? Where is the judgment if the decision is made? From this stance, you make a case against the Ego/mind. What 'impurity' of thought are you referring to? This smacks of religious doctrine that controlled our world for hundreds of years. GUILT! SHAME!.
In brackets you say "( something seen in other people most often, but also in info/art/movies etc) , This would suggest that we should not have thoughts, good or bad . Maybe we should be ONE thought.., the thought of ONE..............the thought of the one ELITE! Who controls the arts/media/movies etc? Would it not be in their interest , as power freaks, to control our thoughts, otherwise they would be the same as us......, ordinary beings evolving through experience. Slow the experience and what do you have...a hierarchy! If I can convince my neighbour that there is something wrong with him, and my neighbour is loving honest and naive, I can have control over him.!
All I've got to do is convince him that GUILT and SHAME exist in the world....., and that he has some.! Gotcha!
We all have thoughts, good and bad, but we can decide what we do with those thoughts.., whether or not we hang on to them or let
them go. Discernment, knowing right from wrong. But sometimes we can be led astray by smooth talkers, whom at first, seem
so knowledgeable, then our discernment is questionable, dependent upon our experience of the world. Intuition can be deceived because it's not 'tangible'., unseen.
Most of us on here are aware of a world that is not what it seems. We are looking for truth.
But in the looking ., you can't see!
Unfortunately, the power freaks know this and are away ahead of the game.
They realise the old religions were going out of vogue and a 'new' way of thinking was needed, so they were prepared.
What have we got today that's different from the old style religion, seriously ask yourself.., if you are honest., you'll see the cultural and different way of worshipping from the old way. But nothing else.., just a different way of worshipping the ineffable.
The old style christians are still stuck in their beliefs, the muslims in theirs, the jews.....etc.
So a new way of 'seeking' that which you have disowned.
How can worshipping an object, a being that died years ago, the way we dress, a wall, anything...., anything other than ourselves, bring us salvation, Salvation from WHAT!! Salvation means we have done something wrong..We were born innocent, how the feck could we do anything wrong unless we were TOLD that it was wrong. If our parents and ancestors believed we did something wrong, and that's our 'culture', then who am I to question it?? that would make me different, not part of that culture. Who would want that?: Culture can be manipulated., and it has been. Culture can be absolutely beautiful, it's diverse and makes us unique.
It makes us the interesting species that we are. We could spend several lifetimes just enjoying and learning from all the diverse cultures that exist in the world today., at this moment.
It's great to see other countries and sometimes we fall in love with the way of life, but we know in our hearts we could never be the same as them, because we have our own culture and the uniqueness of the other is alluring. But they're thinking the same about your society.
The one thing they all have in common is; there's SOMETHING bigger than themselves........... Isn't that great!
The 'KNOWING',..so why try to explain the 'unknowable'.
CONTROL.
Within every country and city., within every town and village, within every committe that is formed.. there will be always be someone with the desire to control.
That someone has a weakness in themselves., a weakness that they can't face. The reason for their being here in this lifetime, the opportunity to grow and move on. But., facing it and doing it is so hard that it can lead to addiction, powerlessness (victim),
or a control freak, whatever. The weak will try and convince others they are weaker in order to hide their own weakness. That is why it is imperative to be your own person, to question everything and everyone.
Not to fall for flowery words or ideals, but follow your heart., love yourself first and foremost.
Gurus, political leaders, bullies even.., will always prey on those that don't know themselves.
Look to the beauty within. you don't need a gobshite to tell you how wonderful you are........You were just made that way, wonderful!! You don't need anyone to promise you something in the future if you behave in a certain manner, and to have faith in what they say,....., if you meditate whilst breathing a certain way, if you say OOHHMM or whatever. Is that any different than praying to statues, or a 'wailing wall' or women wearing strange clothes that cover their bodies. Are they better than you, did 'God' make a distinction in humans that he made 'Gurus' because 'He' made you more stupid than them?
You don't need someone to tell you " you are One". WE ARE ONE...but individual in our uniqueness and our ego makes us unique by giving us personality. To take away that uniqueness gives the controllers an easier task, a world of mindless drones easy to control and the best way to do that is by controlling the thing we, as humans., all humans,., have in common....knowing the UNKNOWABLE. Make it a mystery when indeed there is no mystery. Thus create doubt. Nothing exist in this world if you don't exist to realise it exist. Simple as that. Therefore what is the most important thing in this world...,DUH!!... YOU! The Great Creator made you to know you.. to love youself, not Him/It. The Creator already exist and doesn't need your worship....He knows His worth.
Are you going to give that special gift of your being to some 'guru' who thinks he knows better than the Great One, just because you think He didn't make a good enough job. It's called low self worth otherwise, the recognision that someone can improve on 'Gods' work.

The Great Creator, the Source of all, may I always be part of Him, but always my unique being.!

Best post ever Tom!
You are incredible.

Pilgrim:

Don't get your nickers in a twist mate. One little post and you go berserk. Take it easy. I am not the enemy you try to make of me. One little post triggers this kind of violent response? You twist my simple little post into some monstrosity that has nothing to do with what I was trying to say at all. The whole thing is a construction of your own conflict-oriented mind. It's dripping with a personal agenda to "get me" and prove that I am "bad" or something like that. And it is all based upon your own interpretation of "one" little word I used. Putting meanings and words onto other people that they do not have is not very good ethics in a discussion. You can make your points without violently opposing other peoples points. Such behavior reveals only who you are and has nothing to do with others. It's all projections and blame.

In judgment there is blame. In discernment there is no blame, but rather self-responsibility. That is all I meant to say. Not very scary really, but perhaps scary if that is not a truth you are ready to face up to. Thanks.

Sanat you can see the 'solar cult' influence coming in here that comes from a background that really is highly defensive and pedantic about the presence of hierarchy, control, deception, and punishments. Who reject anything that they see standing in the way of eliminating what they think is the problem mentality.

The reaction was about you being 'mistaken' and supporting 'evil concepts'. I know it was just you saying how you define discernment in comparison to judgment. But because they saw it as a sin (mistake) you got to expect that reaction.

Wether you like it or not being human means that you control things. When you grow your garden. When you turn the shower on in the morning. Each drop of water is a universe. When you mow your lawn. All this is that big bad word control.....

The tarot card of control is the chariot. Hierarchy is the Emperor.

These things are a part of life it's how you balance them that is the big deal. Not that they exist. They are part of you and this can be proved by the fact that sanat even though pilgrim told you that shame and guilt was created. You had the response that was meant to make your post as something shameful because of it being 'mistaken'. So you can see that they are just using the same shame and guilt they are fighting about. Because it's unavoidable that you use it. If you deny it. That doesn't mean it does not express itself in the ways you have chosen. The post is still an attempt to express and so it's an act of influence which is control. They are no exception to the principles inside us. Solar cult worship has the effect of denying the dark side of life. Not integrating yourself. It's an unbalance than manifests as an obsession with avoiding shame guilt and suffering and an over concentration. Over worshiping "The light/good" in comparison with "Thedark/evil" as can be seen in Christianity.

It's a long story how the solar cult mentality was created in humanity but it is responsible largely for the derangement we experience in our daily society we live in.

If you do not embrace and love something you will not understand it. If you do not understand it you will fear it. If you fear it you have created the greatest enemy that god has to offer. Fear itself. That doesn't mean it's necessarily a 'mistake'. It just means you are growing spiritually with fear playing it's part.

Pilgrim has some very valid points about this and getting back to balance. And your definition of judgment and discernment is not accurate according to the definition of how we use it in English.

Sanat, thanks very much for making me smile.

" Don't get your nickers in a twist mate. One little post and you go berserk. Take it easy. I am not the enemy you try to make of me. One little post triggers this kind of violent response? " :madb:

I may have prattled on further than I intended.., but please, to take it as a "violent response"
is beyond comprehension. If you feel personally vilified by my post then I apologise, as
such was not the intention.

" Solar cult", " highly defensive", " pedantic"...
Am I missing something here!

pilgrim wrote:

Am I missing something here!

You tell me.....are you?

Misunderstandings are way to easy on forums because different words/concepts/definitions mean different things to different people. I am afraid a dictionary cannot dictate reality either. Each must follow whatever makes him happy/content. Here is a new movie:

The sequel to ESOTERIC AGENDA:

Cymatica

Enjoy!

i didn't know there was a sequel to Esoteric Agenda!

Big thanks for the link Sanat..will def. watch it this weekend

Sanat wrote:

I am afraid a dictionary cannot dictate reality either. Each must follow whatever makes him happy/content.

It just makes it easier if you speak according to how we are all currently at in our definition of the words. Otherwise I could talk anything and it could represent anything......The purpose of Dictionaries is to prevent miss communication collectively.

Imagine if I defined evil as a flower. That would create some problems even if I am happy content with it, it just would not be wise to approach it like that. In the same way your view of judgment is radically different to the set definition I normally use. It's good to take into account the collective understanding of it.

With your judgment definition people in the New age movements may understand that entirely where you are coming from with that truth. But it creates other problems such as when someone like me defines it how I look at the dictionary. Now you think I am saying something different to what I am actually saying when I say judgment. I mentioned it because I don't think you considered the other definition of it you thought it only had that definition. So I showed you the alternative that is also common. I don't see this as a new age forum but I do understand how you are using that word from your view. Just don't forget that some people see it different and so they will use the term in a different context and a different way, with a different understanding of it.

To get back to Obama and world events I find this latest article from David Wilcock very interesting. Watch the videos he talks about and links to. Things are happening. The Fed is being grilled in hearings:

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=428&Itemid=70

Sanat wrote:

To get back to Obama and world events

i rather agree with Russell Means' take on Obama

Lakota See Through Obama

yeah, what are we doing?????

Lets talk about what we are doing as a group to solve problems.

WineHippie,
'Lakota See Through Obama' is the right title of that video. I agree with you that Russell Means knows what he is talking about.

For god sake Linda who cares......that is the title of it....The video is there....
(this is a wise crack that you can't laugh at)


Back to the original question.....What are we, as a group....doing to solve our problems?

This is a good story : http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article5992569.ece

Here is a quote from the story, and emphasis mine:

Quote :

Obama has declined to launch a prosecution of Cheney for war crimes, as many in his party (and outside it) would like. He has set up a review of detention, rendition and interrogation policies. And he has simply declassified many of the infamous torture memos kept under wraps by Bush.

He has the power to do this, and much of the time it is in response to outside requests. But as the memos have emerged, the awful truth of what Cheney actually authorised becomes harder and harder to deny. And Cheney is desperately trying to maintain a grip on the narrative before it grips him by the throat.

The threat, however subtle, is real. Eric Holder, the new attorney-general, while eschewing a formal investigation, has told Republicans “prosecutorial and investigative judgments must depend on the facts, and no one is above the law”. The justice department is also sitting on an internal report into the calibre of the various torture memos drafted by Bush appointees in the Office of Legal Counsel. The report has apparently already found the memos beneath minimal legal credibility, which implies they were ordered up to make the law fit the already-made decision to torture various terror suspects.

A..

Dean Plejaren wrote:

Back to the original question.....What are we, as a group....doing to solve our problems?

Waiting for the Smurfs, the GFOL or some other Aliens to do it for us...

nogroz wrote:

Dean Plejaren wrote:

Back to the original question.....What are we, as a group....doing to solve our problems?

Waiting for the Smurfs, the GFOL or some other Aliens to do it for us...

If you are referring to the average individual I would agree. However I would hope that people here have come to the realization that we have to save ourselves.

hi nogroz
i have been reading some of your stuff here...who are you exactly...you sound very familiar but i just can't place you
and why always so flip instead of an opinion?/
just curious

hi micjer..i kinda agree with you..but are we just to save ourselves or do you think we have any obligation to help save others
in any number of ways
and do you think they have to ask before we try..

i've puzzled over which would be the best for awhile now...and kinda whitch back and forth

@sky otter,

nogroz = ? hint spell his name backwards... start with z


Ya I know what you mean about saving others. I believe we have an obligation to respect free will. I think that right now our obligation is to ourselves, but when the shtf we will be there for others, as they will come to us because they will think we can help them. The only thing we can do to help them is to direct them in the right direction. It will be their own responsibilty to help themselves.