Another conman President

micjer wrote:

Obama announced today that he is putting a cap on the amount of money the CEO's can take out of the bailout money. Sounds to me is tackling the current issues head on.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/02/04/paycaps.html

It is very interesting to see things develop these days. As Wilcock points out in his interview: There is a source inside Washington that is called "The voice of the White House". This source has a long track record of providing info, and Wilcock has been a keen reader of it. I just discovered it. According to Wilcock this source is very credible, and Wilcock claims that this source has said several times that Obama is not controlled by either fraction of the dark cabal (that is the "Rockefeller fraction" and the "Rothschild fraction" as he names them).

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However, the problem with Obama is not Obama himself, a mostly unknown and inexperienced American politician. The problem with Obama is the very powerful group of key officers and aides that surround the new president, which one is led to believe were not freely chosen by Obama; rather, they seem to have been imposed upon Obama by the New World Order Power Structure that for many decades wields control over the United States, and without whose complacency, agreement and support Barack Obama would probably have never made it outside of the political borders of his home state of Illinois.

Source: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10070

The good news is that as long as the level of mass consciousness keeps rising steadily, the dark cabal is bound to loose more and more power, and more and more people of high integrity will be able to "take over" various positions. Dark activities cannot stand the increasing Light of Awareness. It's important not to judge everyone in government as "the same". They are not. Just as people outside of government are at various levels of integrity. The same is true inside government. Most are "well meaning people" blinded by indoctrination and compartmentalization etc. Many are scared to come forward because they fear how the "angry mob of the public" would react. If we cultivate an attitude of forgiveness instead of hate/revenge much will be gained from this. Not least on the personal level of each person. Well meaning (but perhaps somewhat blinded) people inside the system need to feel that they can come forward without fearing retaliations. We gain nothing by creating separation and enemies by pointing fingers.

I would like to add that it is entirely possible for people to convert from the dark-side to the light-side and in so doing, transfer much power away from the dark.

For those who make this transition, I would like to think they would be forgiven thier dark past.

Indeed. It is very very dangerous to buy into the idea that the so-called "elite" is an all-powerful god-like shadow being who's plan is executed with perfection and there is nothing we can do about it. Everything is controlled and we are hopeless victims of a gigantic conspiracy. This seems to be the notion of many people who wake up to these things and it is called "victim consciousness". The nwo elite has become the latest "scape goat" for people to blame every problem in their life on instead of taking full responsibility. Happiness and contentedness is very possible even in this world. And moving towards that is the best way to "fight" the nwo elite. The illuminati is just as much inside each of us, as it is outside. Getting rid of it inside is something every person can work on 24/7. It's called spiritual growht and being Aware of what arises in the mind (judgments, blame, anger, fear, etc etc).

The plan of the elite has been severly halted, altered and the their power severly weakened as is obvious with all their failed and desperate plots to start WW3 lately. They are probably frantic behind the cold facade. They are way behind schedual and nothing works out as they planned it would. All is due to the fact that humanity and the Light also has a plan, and that plan is much more powerful than the dark schemes. And that plan is to grow in Spirit/Consciousness/Awareness in such a way that the dark has no choice but withdraw.

In short: The dark cabal elite has no more power than what the collective of mankind has given away in themselves. Mankind has shrunk itself and been ruled by fear and victim consciousness, but now we are breaking out of that fear and we embrace expansion, growth and Love. This happens all over the globe and it is the plan of the Light in action. Even inside government this is happening now. I agree totally that people can "convert" and change from darker to more and more Light. This is what is happening. It's a silent revolution. It can only be felt inside. I sense that Obama has an important part to play in this silent revolution. And also many others like him in government positions. The dark cabal stronghold is only a cocoon which will soon give birth to a butterfly of Light.

Who exactly is this 'dark cabal' or the 'elite' that you speak of? Where are they located?

Linda wrote:

Who exactly is this 'dark cabal' or the 'elite' that you speak of? Where are they located?

"They" are located in the ego/mind complex of every person on this planet. Only the percentage varies from individual to individual (some have 0.001% of darkness inside and some have 95+%, but most are in between these extremes). Those of a relative high percentage gravitate towards each other, and also towards worldly power/corruption/etc arranged in a hierarchical fashion. Many of medium to high percentage unwillingly/unknowingly play an active part in holding up, and keeping this structure intact (even if they do not work in "the system" as such, they support it by their corrupted Being and "victim consciousness". This goes for most people of this planet to some extent and in various degrees). Those of low percentage represent the anti-thesis of this dark cabal structure. They need not be so many to have a great effect. Because Light is so much stronger than darkness. But their numbers are growing every day now. 2008 was a year of remarkable increase in Light/Awareness/Consciousness. I witnessed this first hand in many people around me that are not even aware of what is "going on". I also measure it and document it on my website (see link below).

You see, I do not care so much about name/location and pointing fingers at others (rockefellers, rothschilds, reptilians or whatever). I care about taking responsibility for the darkness inside myself, and transmuting it into Light/Awareness. We could have a giant bloody revolution where all of the "elite" were hung and executed... Perhaps "peace" would prevail for some time, but nothing would have changed in the bigger picture of things. Sooner or later the world would look just the same as before because the level of consciousness did not really change. Only the persons that happened to be in power. The corruption did not transmute inside. Only some people were exchanged. And once in power these people would be just as open for corruption as those before them. And those before them would incarnate here again, and given some time things would be exactly the same as before, but perhaps with a different label to it. If you want to solve a problem you must remove the root cause, and that root cause is inside each and every one of us. The dark cabal "elite" is not the root cause, it is merely a symptom - a reflection of mankinds collective state of Being. When that collective state of Being changes for the better, so will the world outside. And to contribute to that solution means taking full responsibility for ones own happiness/contentedness. It means that there is no one else to blame but yourself if you are not perfectly happy and content.

I was not talking about "victim consciousness", "ego/mind complex", "a reflection of mankinds collective state of Being", "happiness/contentedness", "Light/Awareness/Consciousness", or about me "taking full responsibility".

Was just curious if you actually knew about the hidden history of this planet and who or what works in the shadows.

These are fine words, but I've just pinched myself and discovered I still live in the 3rd dimension, some call it the 'real' world.
Whether or not we manifested the dark cabal with our thoughts, is highly contentious and not the point. The reality is they are amongst us and to wish them away plays into their scheme of things. By all means meditate and think of a more positive world, but let's keep our feet on the ground even the head is in the clouds.

"You see, I do not care so much about name/location and pointing fingers at others (rockefellers, rothschilds, reptilians or whatever)."

How can I fight something if I don't know what it looks like, where it is, or warn my brothers if I don't know it's name? Is it okay to let my brothers starve, be murdered or be enslaved whilst I meditate for a good more enlightened world?
I agree with you that to kill these fiends is totally unacceptable. But how about a nice cosy prison cell for them where I can feed and water them whilst praying for them?
Can we not lock them up whilst they go through their transformation from darkness to light?
To sit back and 'turn the other cheek' is contemptible when our family is being annihilated. The world sat back and watched as genocide was being perpetrated in Gaza. That is reality!! That is so shameful that I am disgusted at the powerlessness
we demonstrated. Yes it ended, but after a terrible price was paid.
Never mind., it's their own fault because they "manifested" the troubles on themselves.
Try telling that to the grieving parents of the children that were murdered!!

It is by naming and shaming these 'entities' that go by the name of Rockerfeller, Rothschild et al. and the corrupt politicians they own, that the light will shine on them
and at least we will know who murdered our children.
By all means pray for them and tut! tut!.., in the meantime, try to get the bastards locked up.
If Obama turns out to be one,instead of singing his praises, will you condemn his actions just as vehemently?

I know about the "hidden history of the mind". I am more interested in what causes the reflection of outside "reality", and that is mankinds state of Being. I am interested in what actually solves problems permanently, and not so interested in condemnation and revenge. I have very little interest in that direction. If "the illuminati" was to be "locked up" it would mean that the majority of the population would be locked up. Very few would be left in the world because the illuminati is strong in so many people. Given the "right" circumstances the majority of the population would be capable of doing what the current perpetrators are doing. It's just a matter of position and power. This planet is already a "prison planet". The illuminati IS already "locked up" because everyone on this planet is of the illuminati, and thus the planet has been "quarantined"by the rest of the Galaxy/Universe. The good news is that this changing now. Those that want freedom have never had better opportunity to evolve out of the mind controlled prison than they have at this time.

The first error is to think that you yourself is not infected by the illuminati. Those that think like that are usually more infected/corrupted than those that have the courage to face up to this. As long as you do not control your own mind (thoughtprocesses), you are under heavy "mind control". This goes for most everyone on the planet, and it varies only in severity. There is an easy test to see if you can control your mind, or if it controls you. Simply sit down, close your eyes and see if you can experience total peace/silence inside for 5 minutes. That means not a single thought should arise and you should not get "lost" in some past/future daydream. If you cannot do that you are "mind controlled". Don't worry though. It is totally normal here. What is this mind that you cannot control? It is the illuminati inside each and every one of us. It is more severe in those that worship and have totally succumbed to it, but it is in everyone. As long as you do not take the "battle" to that level you are more or less serving the illuminati agenda even if you think you are fighting it.

If you seek revenge, if you blame and judge, if you put labels on people, if you condemn anyone you are serving the illuminati. You can do good and be good without condemning those that do bad. Any condemnation is a condemnation of Creation, and thus of Creator. I do not feel that I am in a position to judge God. But that's just me. I know a lot of people in this world do feel that they have the right to do this. But I don't see that it makes them very happy.

Happiness comes when you start to face the illuminati inside. When you can muster the humility to realize that perhaps Creation/Creator is right, and your own limited perspective on things is the real problem. When you can create a space inside where all the negative and heavy energies of the mind can surface and play out without you being dragged down and drowning in the process. Meditation and true forgiveness is not a fairy tale. It is the hardest work a man/woman can commit to in this world. Only the bravest have the courage to face themselves instead of putting blame onto others/the world/illuminati/Creation/Creator. Being reminded of this angers some people, but I know that some will understand, and therefore it makes it worthwhile to share.

The beauty of it is that you do not need to go anywhere to "fight" this "battle". There is no need to look outside for "the enemy". It's been inside us all along. Fooling us to look outside for enemies, and laughing at our stupidity and ignorance behind our Awareness. Feeding off of our conflict, fear and afflictions. Creation is perfect when you are present in it and do not compare it to a fantasy world of utopia created by your own mind.

I know that these things make no sense to some people, and I know that they make perfect sense to others. The language of the Heart sounds like insanity to the insane mind. I am here because I was invited sharing mostly for those interested in what I have to share. I have no interest in conflict/arguing etc. Some will understand and be interested, while others will be repelled, and perhaps a bit angry. I share what has worked, and is working for me. No more and no less. Feel free to ignore it or oppose it or do whatever you like with it. That is not my concern. My intention is to represent a solution that has worked and is working for me so that other people might be encouraged by that when they read about it as it resonate with something deep inside of them.

I do not "sing anyones praises" and I do not condemn anyone. That is a great example of the conflict oriented mind trying to polarize things into two "opposite" camps. Obama is a person on this planet and thus he is influenced by the mind/illuminati as anyone else. I am open for the possibility that (in spite of his worldly prestigious position) he is less influenced by the mind/illuminati than the majority of the population. I sense that he is a person of higher integrity than the majority of the population on this planet (without that saying all that much of course). I could be wrong of course. But I am open for that possibility instead of being prejudice based on his past/position/influence/etc etc etc. Time will tell...

Thanks,

Sanat

Sanat,
You are very welcome on this forum by many and I respect your right to express your opinion.
I also have a right to disagree with that opinion if it is posted in the public arena. If you find that I have been disrespectful towards you, then I apologize.

I do not seek revenge when I state that the fiends of this world should be locked up, anymore than I would seek revenge on a rabid dog by locking that up. It is because we have the right to free passage on our journey of evolution that we must remove any obstacles that block our path.
If the wrong-doers that are locked up were to be released,what a hell this planet would be. They have been locked up to protect society, otherwise the law of the jungle would prevail and so, devolution.
The higher evolved beings that keep us in our "prison planet" do so because we still adhere to the laws of savages to some extent, by the wars, poverty and enslavement of humanity brought about by those we call the illuminati. Until such times that they are locked up, our stagnation will be assured. It is through the lack of expressing our free will and behaving like animals, sheep, that we have allowed this to happen.
The 'Dark Cabal' propaganda machine advocate in their disinformation sites, that we get rid of the ego.
The very thing that makes us human and provides our world with uniqueness and the magnificence of creativity. There is nothing wrong with a healthy ego, it helps us express our free will. Without it we are sheep, doormats for the dominant forces to control us and do as they please.
The unhealthy ego leads to grandiose behavior and lust for power at the expense of others...Us.

Unfortunately we have not evolved enough, as a species, that we can manifest our thoughts instantly.
If only it were so. But we have come far enough to know right from wrong and to exercise the free will which the Great Creator gifted to us. Should we snub this magnificent gift?
As I've said elsewhere on this thread, if our actions and thoughts come from a loving wholeness, then condemnation and revenge do not enter the equation. Once we act from that loving wholeness, then protecting ourselves and the ones we love is essential otherwise it is a form of suicide which would be an insult to the Great Creator. Love thy neighbour as thyself. If I have the right to protect myself, then I owe the same
to my neighbour whom I love.

Yes., I am infected with corrupt thoughts. But I don't resist them and give those thoughts power and I certainly don't succumb to them. I recognise them for what they are and release them. Knowing the difference between right and wrong. To not do so causes me great spiritual discomfort, and I welcome that. It keeps me on my path.
I am not 'God' either., but I do exercise the gifts the Great Creator has given me. That of free will, a healthy ego and the ability to defend the loving wholeness I am becoming.
No., I am not perfect, far from it and I do practice humility, that comes with the healthy ego otherwise it would be low self esteem. That is lack of love for ones self, a spiritual 'sin' if you like.

" Only the bravest have the courage to face themselves instead of putting blame onto others/the world/illuminati/Creation/Creator. Being reminded of this angers some people, but I know that some will understand, and therefore it makes it worthwhile to share.

The beauty of it is that you do not need to go anywhere to "fight" this "battle". There is no need to look outside for "the enemy". It's been inside us all along. Fooling us to look outside for enemies, and laughing at our stupidity and ignorance behind our Awareness. Feeding off of our conflict, fear and afflictions. Creation is perfect when you are present in it and do not compare it to a fantasy world of utopia created by your own mind."

This is the type of statement the 'Dark' ones would love to get across. It is naive at best given the past history of our world.
By burying our heads in the sand and pretend it will all go away and that it is only our minds fooling us is absolutely crazy.
I have been meditating for decades, and I'm on a good spiritual path, I am also aware that the mind can play 'tricks'. I am honest enough with myself and I can face and admit when I am wrong. My mind can be an enemy if I allow fantasy to rule it. But I have discernment and awareness.., and that awareness tells me that an enemy exist outside my mind and that it is real and that it will not go away by inaction..,by wishful thinking. That is sheep mentality. Cowardice not courage.!
To advocate living in a 5th dimensional state of bliss whilst in the 3rd density in which you really live, is pure fantasy and dangerous to our spiritual growth. We strive to make this dimension the best we can, when that has been achieved then and only then will we progress. All the lessons that are necessary spiritually for this dimension, are here in this physicality. It can't be any other way. It's just not feasible. I am spirit living in this physicality, to pretend otherwise is akin to wearing a bathing suit in the Artic circle thinking you're at the beach in California.

Respect and love in spirit.
Tom

You are so wise Tom.

Yes, the 'dark cabal' want us to have that sheep mentality by thinking that we are all one and that by simply having 'awareness' we will 'evolve' and have peace.

Heaven forbid if we blame and judge, put labels on people, and condemn those who are responsible.
If we do, then we are told that we are really to blame or that we are actually serving the illuminati? What the heck?

We are individuals and by not resisting or speaking up, we will be doomed. By taking away our free thinking and only having 'blissful' thoughts is the perfect way to control us.
That is the plan and they are doing a darn good job of it as I can see.

Having 'happy consciousness' will not solve our problems. Standing up, telling the truth about the luciferian agenda and being warriors is what they hate.

Thank you for being here. Not all of us fall for the deception because we did our homework and know exactly what we are dealing with. Pretty words about 'spirituality' is just that. It won't help the souls on this planet.

pilgrim wrote:

To advocate living in a 5th dimensional state of bliss whilst in the 3rd density in which you really live, is pure fantasy and dangerous to our spiritual growth. We strive to make this dimension the best we can, when that has been achieved then and only then will we progress. All the lessons that are necessary spiritually for this dimension, are here in this physicality. It can't be any other way. It's just not feasible. I am spirit living in this physicality, to pretend otherwise is akin to wearing a bathing suit in the Artic circle thinking you're at the beach in California.

Respect and love in spirit.
Tom

hello, tom...

to become aware of, and aspire to, 5th dimensional
qualities while struggling here with the 3rd density is
what i have been doing and my spiritual growth has
evolved, so i do not understand what you mean here...
i often feel a bleed-through or like i have a foot in each
vibration... yes, i am spirit experienced through this
physicality, and i am also beginning to feel around the
edges of new dimensions/densities

Hi Winehippie,

You say:
"to become aware of, and aspire to, 5th dimensional
qualities while struggling here with the 3rd density is
what i have been doing and my spiritual growth has
evolved, so i do not understand what you mean here...
i often feel a bleed-through or like i have a foot in each
vibration... yes, i am spirit experienced through this
physicality, and i am also beginning to feel around the
edges of new dimensions/densities"

When I do my meditation, I haven't a clue which higher dimension I go to, I just ask for understanding of my purpose and that my being be filled with love. For me, that request is met by some 'being' not of this dimension, it could be 5th, I don't know.
What I do know is the love I am filled with and this I release through my heart chakra to
encircle our planet. Whilst I am in this state, I don't feel I'm in 3rd density. It may be just euphoria, but it is like one foot is on the dimension. So I can appreciate what you are saying.
But when I come out of the meditation, I am in 3rd density again and I live my live as such.
I feel loving and spiritual, but only as much as this dimension allows me to.
I too aspire for higher spiritual awareness and to show it, but I have to be realistic about it.
Not live in my meditation awareness, which, for me is not practical. The more humanity wakens up to it's own individual spirit, then one day that may be possible. But that time is not here...,yet!
That's only my personal opinion and I hope I've explained it okay.
Tom.

Hi Linda,

You are right when you say we should question everything, especially when it comes from our 'gurus' and teachers. It is extremely important to leave the sheep mentality in the past. We tell our children to question the teacher when they don't understand something, why then do we not allow ourselves the same right.

"Heaven forbid if we blame and judge, put labels on people, and condemn those who are responsible.
If we do, then we are told that we are really to blame or that we are actually serving the illuminati? What the heck?"

We make judgments every second of our lives, it is imperative to do the same with people.
I want to know who I'm letting inside my head, my home or whatever. That's not blame,
it's common sense.
To put labels on people or things is a means of identification, providing it's not derogatory.

Tom

One thing does not exclude the other so there is no problem. We can work on many levels. The physical and the meta-physical. What you all say sounds very reasonable. There is no need to twist my words to make your points. I agree with what you are saying all the way, but it does not exclude the perspective I presented in any way. Rather the different perspectives add to each other and makes this thread more valuable for all.

How many Irishmen does it take to change a lightbulb? 10. One to hold the bulb in place, and 9 to drink until the room spins...

How many Obama's does it take to change a lightbulb? 3. One to do it, and two to make speeches about "change"... (Ok, I made that one up myself. hehe).

Keep up the good spirit,

Sanat

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Based on Hyperdimensional Physics, Hoagland successfully predicted the historic results of this election almost two years ago! In this production, based on further application of this HD Model, Hoagland now presents never-before-seen clues to what America and the world may expect from this incoming, unique "Hyperdimensional Obama Administration" including, what Barack Obama may finally do with NASA's decades of classified data on intelligent artifacts discovered on the Moon and Mars, as well as what could be in store for all of us at the end of Obama's first term in 2012.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wxqIwOjvm0&feature=PlayList&p=1FFB1C7209844382&index=0&playnext=1

What is really interesting about the whole Obama thing is the split in the so-called "alternative/truth movement". Many that have woken up to the nwo/illuminati etc. and have just understood these things are "applying" that knowledge naturally to the new President. They are no longer willing to be decieved by the two party system and the puppets etc. This is great.

Then you have many other people who are also aware of the very same things that those who see Obama as a new, and perhaps more intelligent, puppet than Bush. And yet these people see something totally different going on here. You cannot really accuse these people of being "naive flagwaving mindless Obama=Messiah supporters" as many of them have known about the NWO agenda for a long time (Hoagland being one such individual and Wilcock another). They know about all the corruption and the NWO agenda etc., and yet they differ in their view on Obama. This is very interesting in my view. It is something to think about at least...

Sanat,

" What is really interesting about the whole Obama thing is the split in the so-called
"alternative/truth movement ".

I agree with this comment, although not entirely surprised by the split when you take
into account that this has always been the NWO/illuminati strategy when faced with
opposition, i.e, divide and conquer.
Numerous websites are in place to spread disinformation to achieve this and they have
been very successful thus far. These people are masters at it and understand humanity's
strengths and weaknesses and are able to use this to their advantage.
You have to admire their ingenuity if nothing else.

Thanks for the link you provided, but this guy Hoagland falls into my ' iffy ' category
and some of his comments raised my heckles a bit. I'll give you an example:
95% of the video rang true with me and besides, most of the information is already out there.

I'm no scientist nor a scholar by any stretch of the imagination, but several things he said
just unsettled me. I didn't take notes because it's such a long video, but then he quotes
David Wilcock as saying; "....abdicated their responsibility to be a conscious, rational,
in touch being..,in charge of their own soul ". He then goes on to build Obama up citing
astrological data, numerology and synchronicities with JFK and so on and so forth.
What he alluded to was that he was put in place by 'higher forces' ( he didn't say which 'forces') at the right time to see the changes through that are necessary. He then states; " We should direct our thoughts (energy) towards Obama, because that's the only way change will happen".

Earlier on in the video clips, front pages of magazines were put on the screen showing Obama's picture with the caption behind him saying " MESSIAH ". This didn't take my attention when they were shown, but taking them in conjunction with the later statement smacks of NLP.
(Neuro Linguistic Programming).
Directing our thoughts with intent towards a person with a picture in your mind of a MESSIAH, is praying, no matter how it's excused! If you want to pray for change, why not go directly to the Source?
The Great Creator. He/She/It is not deaf, nor does the Creator need a middleman to explain that prayer.
Totally unnecessary....,unless there's another motive!


Back to the Wilcock quote. To use your intent, your prayer as Hoagland suggested, is to
abdicate your responsibility. It's not rational nor in touch and is freely giving away your soul energy to an unknown entity. Afterall, this person is an unknown, his pedigree is in doubt. Questions about him have not been adequately answered.
Are the ill-luminati so stupid not to understand the Astrology they so revere? Have the Trilateralist developed dementia? Or are they still betting on our stupidity as sheep that need a Good Shepherd?

As for me, I'll be praying with positive intent to the One that I can trust.., THE GREAT CREATOR!
Here is a link to a great prayer and a brilliant site with thought provoking articles and free book.
http://brontebaxter.wordpress.com/

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pilgrim wrote:

Can we not lock them up whilst they go through their transformation from darkness to light?

Hey, it's not like you are transformed anymore than anyone else in particular. Imagine the light entities more ascended than you are. Should they lock you up? Why is it we do not give you a cell until you transform into an angel like them?

Locking someone up is something that is inhuman. The human condition is very effected by it. If you have ever been in a cell you can see how it feels is not natural. I haven't been in a cell but I can imagine it and I have herd other peoples experiences. It is very bad for you in mind and in spirit. When you lock someone in a cage you are no less criminal than them. It's a form of torture not a form of healing. You can't fix mental illness with torture.

It is not any individual in particular that is the problem with it all at the root cause of things. It's poverty. The money system. Which corrupts people. Locking anyone up helps ruins lives because it's abusive. If people take responsibility for themself they would not feel the need to do that.

The solution is in technology, Resourced based economy like I keep saying. Self discipline and responsibility, and correct living. The solution is not to go locking all the people up who you don't agree with. That's immaturity.

I'm talking about long term lasting solutions. In a state of war you may need to imprison the enemy. but it's a strategy of war not necessarily a technique to heal people or the main solution to society. If it was a solution all the people in jail locked up right now, would have solved something for us. But it hasn't. Most people are in jail because of illegal drugs. Yet those crimes are not even illegal when you talk of the definition of 'criminal' legally.

The reason why they are not locked up anyway, the real criminals. Is obviously because the legal system is not the solution.......Jail isn't the answer. It's how we interpret the legal system and what economy we are living under. Which is determined by how much responsibility humanity decides to take with how they are living their life. At this time they choose demonic entities to run their lives. So you see the results of that now.

I will be ignored.

No Dean,
I will not ignore you. But I will disagree with every single sentence. (excuse the pun)

Well in this context the word ignore involves disagreeing with the legitimacy of something. That's the point of saying that "I don't agree with bla bla statements of bla bla". Yeah ignoring the truth of the working principles behind the message. Not trusting that the other person may know something you don't. Not being open to other possibilities. Not considering the possibility you may be wrong about something or there may be something you are not seeing. Not wanting to know about it. Ignoring it.

My position is simply being Open for all possibilities/potentialities until something is proven in one direction or the other. Prejudice always equals bitterness (because you are forcing a strait jacket over reality by insisting on something you do not really know), while being Open for all possibilities is the natural thing each moment. Then you are allowing reality to flow freely, and that does not create inner friction/tension. Here is another channeled message on Obama from Kryon:

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I'm now going to give you information about the one you call Obama, and some of you already know it.

My partner sat on the stage in Israel in 2001 and he told the audience that 2008 would be the time of shift and change because that was the potential. "Kryon, are you telling us that the potential was Obama in 2008?"No. The potential is that you would create great shift in 2008, and you did. Later in a meeting in Colorado [Look for it, it is recorded and there for you to see.], I channelled information that in 2008 you would collectively turn to Indigo leadership. Well, you just did! Let me tell you something about this Human that you have chosen. Number one - he's an old soul. Now you knew that, didn't you? But I'm telling you that he is an old, old soul. He's Lemurian. Don't you find it interesting that he was born in Hawaii? These are the original energies of Lemuria, 50,000 years ago.

In this lifetime, he chose to be born there again. That's the first hint. Identified, he was, two years ago by the woman who originally saw the Indigo color. The basis behind the Indigo description is from the one you call Tappe [Nancy Tappe]. She identified Barack Obama as an Indigo more than two years ago [long before he decided to run for president]. He is an older Indigo, yes, but he has the Indigo attributes.

Now, let me describe these attributes to you, and this is the fun part: In those times in what you would call the run-up to the election, you would go back and forth in analysis to decide which Human Being you were going to choose. Indeed, there was criticism of Obama, and the criticism went like this, "He is too young and inexperienced; he cannot fulfill this job. This job requires a more aged, experienced, seasoned Human Being." There simply could be no response to this argument. But if you looked at the man, he radiated the energy that he's "been there and done that"! That's an Indigo! Out of the realm of 3D, his Akash has indeed "been there before" and if you knew what was in his Akash, you'd gasp at what he's been through.

You made a choice that was a strong potential. You selected a Lemurian, and an Indigo energy, an old soul. That is something we foresaw. Now I'm going to give him some advice. He will never hear this. [Ah, but he might.] This is my advice, as Kryon, to this young leader of this country. I have two things to tell you, Barack. Number one – watch your back. Number two – don't trust your advisors, for the advisors will give you what used to work in the old days. However, your intuition will give you what you really should do. Break the paradigms. Step out of the box and go for it. That's current, isn't it? He has yet to take office at this moment. That's current!

Look what you've done! Twenty years ago in the good ol' boys' club in the back room of your country, if you had said, "Well, you know in 20 years the United States is going to elect a black man," they would have thrown you out! "Impossible!" they would have cried. "Won't let it happen!" they would have said. "You'll never even get to the first step. Can't happen!" You know I'm right, don't you? Does that tell you what's happened in your politics? It's free-wheeling. Nobody's in charge in any back room anymore. Instead, you are, America.

I might seem to argument for the "benefit" of Obama, but if he turns out the be "a crook" I will have no probem with facing up to that. I am trying to balance the scale from all the negativity towards him before we know for sure. That is all.

http://www.kryon.com/k_channel08_laguna.html

But changing things isn't about Obama so why focus on it? It isn't about individuals that is a distraction from what the real focus should be. Focus on solutions to solve the problems. Not people and their personalities. I keep saying that until it's realized.

Dean Plejaren wrote:

But changing things isn't about Obama so why focus on it? It isn't about individuals that is a distraction from what the real focus should be. Focus on solutions to solve the problems. Not people and their personalities. I keep saying that until it's realized.

Agreed. But this thread is about Obama, and Obama is an important "event/symptom" of our times no matter if he is a "crook", a "puppet" or if he is indeed a man of high integrity. The message from Kryon (and many other sources) is in harmony with my own research and calibrations as 2008 was a year when a massive leap in Level of Mass Consciousness happened. And it happened in perfect synchronisity with the growing momentum of Obama and ultimately his victory. It seems to me that this whole thing was a major timeline derailing away from the successful manifestation of the dark illuminati plans. I think their preferred choice would have been Hillary, and second Mccain. Of course any president is only a "puppet" as long as the shadow government is in operation. But I also tend to think that Obama is only the tip of the iceberg. He is a visible symptom of the ongoing change inside the system. The cocoon of the old dark regime being cracked by the new breaking through from the inside...

Ok I'll give you points for an interesting new perspective. Let me think about it....

Unfortunately Obama the person is potentially part of the solution or part of the problem,
which it is remains to be seen. This thread is discussing which part he is, the jury is
still out on that.

The channelled 'messages' from an entity is unknown to us, if indeed they are channelled, cannot be proven if they are from an earthly being, unfriendly/friendly ETs, other dimensional or the delusions of the person. Knowing that they all (except delusional) have advanced technology which can produce this effect, is it not dangerous to give it any credence?
As for the alleged message you quoted from "kryon", I or anyone could have written
that several years ago knowing an election was due in 2008, add a bit of flowery embellishment, a toads foot, ear of bat etc, and wallah! In conjunction with " other sources" and dubious calibrations, well., the case for Obama is settled............for those in kindergarten.

If the dark cabal wanted Clinton or McCain to win, I'm of the opinion they would have won.

Off to the world meditation now, without the music and practiced in my normal manner.
May we all succeed in promoting the message of love, peace and forgiveness in our
and other worlds.
Tom.