Another conman President

Since 1976, members of the Trilateral Commission have dominated the Executive Branch by first dominating the Presidency and top appointments.

Obama is no exception. Support he accepted during the campaign from Zbigniew Brzezinski, Paul Volker and other Trilaterals have resulted in his appointment of no less than TEN Trilaterals to top posts -- including Timothy Geithner!

The hijacking continues!

This article just posted will be a solid reference for future discussion on whether Obama was a total deception by the global elite, or not.

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/trilateral_commission/obama:_trilateral_commission_endgame_20090127110/[url][/url]

Let me rattle off a few more.

Jewish financier, George Soros, the multi-billionaire associate of Brzezinski and closely involved with the funding and marketing of Obama. Soros is a former board member of the Illuminati's Council on Foreign Relations and funds the European Council on Foreign Relations.

Paul Adolph Volker's staff director and chief economist, Austan Goolsbee, a close Obama associate from the University of Chicago. Goolsbee is an initiate of the infamous Illuminati Skull and Bones Society at Yale University.

Obama's Treasury team locks into the inner circle around the Zionist Robert Rubin, the Director and Senior Counselor of Citigroup, co-chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, and economic advisor to Obama. Rubin, a member of the Illuminati Bilderberg Group, was the man behind Citigroup's strategy of expanding its risk in debt markets which forced it to be rescued by taxpayers' money.

Obama has appointed the arch Zionist Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff and another super Zionist Jew, Dennis Ross, to be his Middle East Policy advisor. God help the Palestinians. Ross also served in the Bill Clinton and Father George Bush administrations. Oh, plenty of 'change' there, then.

There is too many to list so I will post the link again
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

For those of us who know the hidden history of this planet by doing our homework and connecting the dots on all the players in the elite clubs.......

....well, we know that everything, and I do mean everything was planned long, long ago.

The same unseen rulers are still in control.

Ok guys: how about this for a theory:

Obama has played the game to allow him to get where he is. However, now he is there (or more probably shortly before hand) his is re-awakening to his true "wanderer" mission.

A..

We can only hope for a miracle, Anchor. I am still praying for one.

I too hope you are right anchor.

I also hope you are right Anchor. He certainly made a good start by undoing some of the wrongs of the past administration. After saying that, they were and are so blatantly bad, would it not be easy to use this as a smoke screen to divert attention from other matters.
I mean the bombing of villages in Pakistan and killing of innocents.., what's that all about?
That is an act of war. And they are an ally!
I find it hard to understand someone who extends the hand of friendship to an 'enemy', Iran,
then bombs a friend that doesn't pose a threat. Is this not reminiscent of arrogant Bushism?
How can you turn an enemy into a friend when he sees' you betraying your friends?
Something not right there.

"By their fruits shall ye know them" So far the fruit looks good.., but has a bitter taste.

Quote :

President BaracPresident Barack Obama’s new administration wants to help reclaim the American dream and bring about positive and lasting change to the nation. As such, the President has pledged to institute an environment of openness and transparency. The new administration has created a website to hear directly from the American people. To share your stories and ideas on the issues and policies that matter the most to you, please visit the following website: http://change.gov/page/s/yourvision.

In addition, the President has created a new office, the Office of the Public Liaison, through which everyone can participate and inform the work of the President. For more details visit: http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl/

What has happened is that many people have "woken up" to the fact that government cannot be trusted. And once this "truth" slowly, slowly has become ingrained and accepted into peoples belive system it becomes as "written in stone" as any other rigid belief of the mind. This is very typical of the mind. It does not like change. It's an effort to change beliefs, as it requiers breaking away from ingrained habits of thought/action. The mind does not like any change as that threatens it's whole existence which is based on the fundamental "lie" that the ego/mind is the "author/cause" of reality, and thus "God/Source". The mind does not (and cannot) know that it too arises from the same Source that everything else does (indeed every thought and every atom/energy in Creation). This can only be "known" through the actual experience of no-mind. When the waves/ripples of the mind relaxes into the timeless Ocean of Oneness/Bliss/God/Eternity. This can happen in glimpses and it can become a more and more permanent state of Being as one ascend the Ladder of Consciousness.

The mind always see things as either "this OR that". It always must divide and polarize things into two "opposite" camps (this is of course reflected and re-inforced by media created "reality" and headlines). Either Obama is the Messiah OR he is the anti-Christ. Kind of ridiculous when you think of it. But this is how the conflict and "dual-istic" oriented mind tends to see the world. It cannot really fathom that there is always a continuum (as demonstrated by the Scale of Consciousness). That Light and the darkness exist in different degrees in everyone and everything. Once we have "woken up" to the fact the "government is bad" the mind thinks that everything and everyone in government must be "bad" always for all eternity. This is not reality. The battle between Light and darkness is in everything everywhere. Everything exist in a dynamic continuum with this "battle" as the basic fundament for reality.

As David Wilcock says: These times are meant to be very scary for the mind. All the repressed fear is supposed to surface to be processed out. But there are greater forces at play here than the "dark cabal", and they are making sure that there is a certain amount of balance between the dynamic forces of Light and darkness. By this the individual Soul will have the greatest opportunity to either Ascend or descend the Ladder of Consciousness according to his/her own choices. Obama is a symptom of how far the Light has been able to re-balance a world that has been very much in darkness. He is not the Messiah and he is not the anti-Christ. He calibrates in the mid 400's (the Scale is from 1 (anti-christ consciousness) - 1000 (Christ-consciousness)) on the Scale of Consciousness) (same as Ron Paul). We could have had Clinton as president (another timeline), and she calibrate below 40 on the same Scale. See the difference? The level of Mass Consciousness has made great leaps in 2008, and it continues to grow. This is reflected in the changes we see in the mirror of Reality. As inside, so outside. Obama is the tip of the iceberg of Lightworkers already infiltrated into the system. The more the level of Mass Consciousness and Awareness increase, the more the Lightworkers already inside the system can "step forward" in their work. All is connected on all levels. The mind alone cannot understand this. But the heart/intuition can sense it.

We are not here to save the illusion of reality, but to transcend it as much as possible (and thus "save ourselves"). The illusion can take care of itself very well, but a by-product of "saving ourselves" by increasing Level of Consciousness is that the illusion/mirror also changes to match this higher level. Obama and other Lightworkers inside the system are here to "keep a certain balance" in the final years before the Shift around 2012. 3rd Density reality will always offer the greatest possible possibilty to either ascend or descend the Ladder of consciousness. This is what it is "designed" to do. The greater the "adversary/challenge/catalyst" the bigger the potential for rapid growth/learning/ascension (or descension). Don't expect too much of poor Obama. He has perhaps the toughest position in the world right now. That is my take on it at least. Thanks!

In Gratitude,

Sanat

Sanat said,

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He has perhaps the toughest position in the world right now. That is my take on it at least. Thanks!

If he does too much and pushes too far he would put himself in a position similar to JFK. If he does little people will think he is no better than the last group of conmen.

micjer wrote:

Sanat said,

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He has perhaps the toughest position in the world right now. That is my take on it at least. Thanks!

If he does too much and pushes too far he would put himself in a position similar to JFK. If he does little people will think he is no better than the last group of conmen.

Exactly! And he is not here to save anyone as so many seem to think. Each must work on his/her own "salvation". Obama is here to be a stabilizer, and to further the agenda of the Light as things progress towards more balance, yet paradoxically also towards more polarization at the same time. Picture two weights on a seesaw scale moving more and more away from each other and at the same time the totality of the scale moves into more and more balance.

Sanat,
Thank you for your opinion on Obama, which I appreciate.
There are one or two points which I don't agree with and maybe you would clarify for me.
Firstly, you equate the mind an ego as one,

"This is very typical of the mind. It does not like change. It's an effort to change beliefs,
as it requiers breaking away from ingrained habits of thought/action. The mind does not like
any change as that threatens it's whole existence which is based on the fundamental "lie" that
the ego/mind is the "author/cause" of reality, and thus "God/Source".
The mind does not (and cannot) know that it too arises from the same Source that everything
else does (indeed every thought and every atom/energy in Creation)."

I am no expert on the functions of the mind/brain, but I would suggest that the mind draws from
experience, logic, emotions and an array of things.., as well as the ego, to arrive at a decision.
The strength of these will each play a part in that decision, therefore the ego is only a part of the mind.,but not the mind per se.

To state that,

"And once this "truth" slowly, slowly has become ingrained and accepted into
peoples belive system it becomes as "written in stone" as any other rigid belief of the mind.
This is very typical of the mind. It does not like change."

This would imply a lack of open mindedness and an inability towards discernment.
It is very uncomfortable to 'wake' up to anything that rocks our beliefs, but once awake,
the new experience is incorporated into our new paradigm until the next shift of awareness comes.
It is necessary to have some sort of belief system in order to operate in society, otherwise we
would be left floundering in the daily decisions of everyday life.
Trust, based on experience, is not foolhardy. Blind faith based on hope, is just that, blind
faith.

"The mind always see things as either "this OR that". It always must divide and polarize things
into two "opposite" camps (this is of course reflected and re-inforced by media created "reality"
and headlines). Either Obama is the Messiah OR he is the anti-Christ. Kind of ridiculous when you
think of it. But this is how the conflict and "dual-istic" oriented mind tends to see the world."

With respect, I think the above statement is wrong in that 1), it leaves no room for those that
voted for nothing more than a better president, a just and fair one.
2) Not all the people voted for this president.

To see Obama as a 'lightworker' based on a " Scale of Consciousness", which in itself has no basis, really is a giant leap of faith given his sponsers and his Trilateral appointees.
Isn't this the type of rationale that has the world in such a mess. A play on words and peoples hopes for something better?
Is this any different from the teachings of the old religions.., rather an updated version?
In the old days I would be burned as a heretic, but I'll stand by my pragmatic viewpoint.
To put Obama on a level par with Ron Paul really takes some swallowing.

If these "great forces" that are at work to balance things out between 'light' and 'dark', then surely the person to do that job would have been Ron Paul. No hidden agendas there, and certainly no trilateralist sponsers. But then that would not be mysterious enough.

"The greater the "adversary/challenge/catalyst" the bigger the potential for rapid
growth/learning/ascension (or descension). Don't expect too much of poor Obama."

Bush certainly gave us that potential for growth.., and no, I will not expect much from Obama.

Love in spirit,
Tom,
[i]

Thankyou Sanat and Pilgrim for your thought provoking posts.

This is what they provoked:

It seems to me that the tools for being aware of the 3D illusion and us playing our roles in it are our body, 5 senses and lower mind and the attendant ego which works to defend it from damage (unauthorized changes!). Furthermore, that the instrument for incrementally piercing that illusion is our higher mind and our soul conciousness.

The degree to which the (lower) mind is open to change is literally that.

Meditation builds the bridge between the higher and lower mind and speeds this process up.

One of three things can happen to change the opinion people have of Obama:

1) He does good things

2) Our higher selves manages to get the message into the lower

3) Someone tells you something about Obama and you beleive it (after your internal due diligence/discrimination has passed it)

A..

In uncertain situations when there is not enough relevant information
to come to a conclusive decision, then the intuition must be taken into
consideration with whatever logic is available.
With Obama, such is the case. My emotions, hopes and aspirations tell
me "I'm being paranoid". But past experience has shown that I would be
in serious trouble if I relied on these. Whereas, intuition rarely lets
me down. With the information in so far, in conjunction with intuition,
my emotions and hopes for this president take second place unfortunately.

I find it extremely hard to justify an arguement with "Scales of Consciousness"
and "Mystic Jargonese" where plain old fashioned english would do the
trick. I'm sorry if this sounds derogatory, it's not intended as such.
But when these terms are used it reminds me of when the priests used
the phrases "oh, it's one of the great holy mysteries", in other words
they hadn't a clue.
What is wrong with using our 'God' giving thinking processes in conjunction
with intuition,our higher self. Meditation leads to clear thinking and
inspiration. For someone to play with my emotions, hopes and aspirations
with the intention of swaying me towards their arguement with the usage of
said tactics, it leaves a doubt in my mind as to the real intention.
In spirit, Tom

Well said Tom!
We MUST use our own "God" given thinking processes in conjunction with intuition.
I personally will never be in the 'oneness' group think because our passion and emotions are sacred and that's what makes us strong individuals.

Agree.

You could have a separate debate on Sanat's "calibrations", which would be distinct from say his descriptions of the evolutionary process and our spiritual journies.

Seems to me that the "Calibrations" are a potentially a useful yardstick but are not essential.

Sanat is the only person I know who has introduced the concept of calibrating the level of conciousness. It seems to me that is is subjective judgement - (unless I were to do it myself and come to my own conclusion, which I haven't - because I dont know how and havent read the background information on it) - however even if I had, it would still be subjective to you.

What I have liked about the process so far is that I have found that it mostly does not contradict any judgement I came to myself about with regard to the items/documents/people that Sanat has commented in so far. What I also know, is that if there were a big disagreement between one of the "Callibrations" on a thing which I came to a different conclusion on, I would not change my mind! There would have to be further exploration and debate before that happened.

However there are a lot of things I like about the process which keeps me extremely interested - especially as it often prompts thinking along the lines of the relative merits of certain approaches to our situations.

A..

I am not asking anyone to believe anything. I speak from my experience and I back it up with "calibrations" because this is what I do. I don't bother what anyone believes or not. Some will probably understand and many not. Some will disregard and some will be inspired to to search further. Believe anything you like and use your logic. Who am I do deny that in anyone? People should never believe anything that is not their own experience of things. That is only foolish. I share from my experience and other people may share from their experience. I am not interested in "arguing" about who's experience is "right or wrong". All experiences are of equal value in my eyes, or they simply would not exist as that unique experience...

Just to clarify: I do not use "calibrations" to back up my own personal possible "opinion" about anything. That is not how it works at all. I don't really hold any rigid "opinions" about things. Some times I am surprised by my own calibrations, because they go against something I would vaguely "believe" was otherwise. "Opinions" are not needed to function in the world. The more rigid they are, the more trouble they create in my experience. It is very possible to go about ones day without a single opinion taking form in ones mind about anything. Beyond opinions/judgments there is unity, love and under-standing.

On Obama again: As long as the dark cabal regime still cling to power behind the scenes Obama will be restrained by this even if he is a good person of high integrity. I am very willing to give him a chance, and see what 2009-2010 brings about. These times are bound to be troubled times no matter what. That is the beauty of this world. It is possible to "read anything into it". People see these times (and all times) so very differently. Some see only the negative and the nwo plan unfolding whilst other people see great opportunity for Soul growth, and some see both at the same time. As inside, so outside.

In Gratitude,

Sanat

At the moment I see Obama as a candle blown in a strong wind, but refusing to go out.

A..

Anchor wrote:

At the moment I see Obama as a candle blown in a strong wind, but refusing to go out.

A..

That's a nice way of putting it.

Anchor,
Is that hope,! is that blind faith.? It is reminiscent of such.
I am not a gambler.. but I would imagine, in order for me to place a bet..,
I would have to look at the past form and come to some sort of conclusion.
You are clinging on to maybe's or what if's..,when the past form tells us different!
Stop gambling!! Or hold the options open.
This guy is gathering his generals around him.
Do you think the PTB chose him without knowing everything..,absolutely everything about him?
Every aspect of his being!
These people are experts.
Just to digress for a moment, if you believe that certain subjects are chosen for mind control.,
then I would suggest he is a prime candidate. That's a whole different premise.

They prey on our naivety, our faith in humanity.., the same as a paedophile
would on a child.
They can't see any wrong in what they do., neither can a paedophile no matter how
much you try to convince him he's wrong.

I would suggest to you, open your heart..., not to your emotions.., not to your thought
processes., after your meditations,listen to what your self tells you.
I'm sorry if this sounds condescending, but for me ., it's my truth and I hope you know where
I'm coming from.

Sanat,
I thank you for your response.
I will reply to that response, even though it may be off topic.
It is ambiguous and contradictory, but I'll leave it for now.
To indulge any further would require another thread, one of which I may open later on, or maybe
you would like to, and one of which you may like participate in, as it involves your contentious
thesis of spirituality.
In the meantime, allow me to respond to your reply on this thread.


"On Obama again: As long as the dark cabal regime still cling to power behind the scenes Obama
will be restrained by this even if he is a good person of high integrity."

This statement would suggest that Obama is a very naive person, therefore not worthy of the position
he now holds, and as a 'political athelete', should he not know the opposition?
I doubt it very much. Are they so stupid to choose such a candidate? Instead of strengthening his
own position, he gathers the 'opposition'around him! A strange chess game indeed.
As far as his integrity is concerned..., please enlighten me! He is a man of many words...but where
is his "against the grain" positive actions. Hmm! He has started a few things off as a Senator,
some good, some bad, but when it came to corporate opposition..,he's no where to be seen.
Wonder why?

" These times are bound to be troubled times no matter what. That is the beauty of this world"

I find this incomprehensible from an enlightened person. Okay, our greatest spiritual growth occurs
in times of conflict.
But that does not mean conflict with society or the world.., certainly not wars or harming our
neighbours.. it means inner conflict. As within, so without....,No! Not on a temporary basis.
Yes, when it's incorporated into your paridigm. The resolution of the conflict results in the paridigm..,
not the conflict itself, then the intent applies surely. To say that the troubled world we live in is a
result of our inner conflicts is a misconception, in my opinion. I would suggest a resolved and
'Dark' paridigm preying on our inability to resolve, and indeed, exacerbating our personal conflicts
is the cause of humanity's suffering.
A focused intent, good or bad, will prevail.
Distraction, distraction, distraction!!
There are far more beautiful people on this planet than there is bad., if they all came together
focused on the concept of harmony and love, darkness would not have a chance.., therefore, distraction
and control.

It's because we listened to our 'Gurus' instead of our hearts that we have become involved in conflicts.
The danger today is.., although we are awakening to this knowledge, the knowing that we have been led
by religionist and false 'prophets', the danger lies in our lack of self confidence and look to
new age 'Gurus' that say the same thing, but their words are more up to date.
It is not the "beauty of this world" to see external conflict.., it's frigging ugly and reprehensible.
Do beings from higher dimensions see conflict as 'beautiful'??
Do they evolve through this 'beauty'. If not., then why should we?
Am I so ignorant that I can't see this 'beauty'?
"It is possible to "read anything into it". People see these times (and all times) so very
differently. Some see only the negative and the nwo plan unfolding whilst other people see great
opportunity for Soul growth, and some see both at the same time. As inside, so outside."

Such ambiguity....so many words that say nothing!

Sanat, I have to question your rationále.
The words I have written come from a loving wholeness, from my heart.., from the being
that is my truth.
Apparently the NWO hope to establish a new 'religion' in their agenda as well, therefore we owe it
to ourselves and our children to question everything. How selfish would it be to bestow our beliefs
onto our kids, who will not question, and they will take for granted that which we hold true, as we did
with our elders.., how selfish and dangerous would that be? It would surely set us, as humans,
back another couple of thousand years if we make the same mistake again.............that is why I
question you.., and so far, your answer is not satisfying!
Never mind the law of Ra, or channelled messages from frig knows who or what.
Is it not time we started following our hearts.., our 'God' given knowledge that 'Gurus',prophets,
and religionists have taken away from us, to redeem ourselves from our reliance of others?
Enough said.
My love in spirit, Tom.

Tom is my hero. He understands so much. :love-061:

pilgrim wrote:

Is that hope,! is that blind faith.?

It was my intuited thought that happened just before I wrote the words. You know, when you are suprised to see it coming out your fingers.

I am as sure as I can be that I was "clear" at the time.

I suppose rational minds must conclude that it is too soon to tell about Obama. I am waiting for some more fruits before I judge for sure. Little hints (as I write now) I get from my imperfect connection to my Higher Self, tells me I am stupid to doubt it and that I am playing games like that for the sake of appearing credible. (So that's me being told off by myself - I will leave the sentence as it is, its funny).

Ok, I give in, faith. But I don't think its blind, except, I do have blind faith in my higher self at times, which could trump it all and reduce it to blind faith.

(Disorganized mind at work - probably need sleep)

pilgrim wrote:

I would suggest to you, open your heart..., not to your emotions.., not to your thought processes., after your meditations,listen to what your self tells you.

I try.

pilgrim wrote:

I'm sorry if this sounds condescending

It does a bit, but its no worse than what I often sound like, so you are allowed :)

Thanks for the response, as ever, a good and nicely thought out one.

I am loving the energy of this forum. So few people yet so much accomplished.

A..

We shouldn't be looking at individuals as solutions to problems we should be looking at how society runs. For example instead of a economy based on competition. It should be resourced based. Attention on that would be far more worthwhile.

I am glad you question my "rational" Tom, because I do not have one... I follow my heart and the Heart don't care about any "rational". The rational mind should work for the Heart, and not the other way around the way I see it. Then there is no conflict.

I don't see that we have anything to discuss. You seem to know your stuff, and I don't care to convince you otherwise. That is not a game I enjoy. You can "question me" all you like, but please understand that I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I am here sharing from my experience of things. That is all.

My Heart tells me that Obama is a good person of high integrity. Simple as that. If your Heart or "rational" tells you otherwise that is perfectly OK with me. No problem. Please allow me the same freedom of expression as I allow you. Nothing you say can ever convince me from listening to my own Heart. Thanks

Ps. with regards to "blind faith" I would say that the whole of reality is based on "blind faith". It is faithbased all the way to the zero point core of "I am" (which is the only thing that is really "real"). The so called "placebo effect" is an indicator of this. It always boils down to where you choose to put your "blind faith". This is very often expressed as a conflict between what "feels right" on a deeper and more holistic level (I call this Heart) versus the endless stream of "common sense reasons" offered by the rational mind. Most everyone have experienced this "dilemma" throughout life as it keeps surfacing at every "fork in the road" so to speak.

The mind is not designed to know, and it can never know anything. It can only re-inforce beliefs that are already held as this is what it is designed to do. All beliefs are self-re-inforcing. Reality mirrors back to you what you already "unconsciously" belive to be so. Time will show what Obama is made of. No need to waste too much time arguing about it one way or the other. My position is that I am very willing to give him a fair chance to demonstrate integrity, but I do not depend on anyone else or anything external when it comes to my own happiness/contentedness.

I think David Wilcock has a very interesting view on Obama which he adress very nice in his latest interview (mp3 file on the bottom of the page):

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=426&Itemid=70

The MP3 file of the show is here:

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-59174/TS-182882.mp3

Obama announced today that he is putting a cap on the amount of money the CEO's can take out of the bailout money. Sounds to me is tackling the current issues head on.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/02/04/paycaps.html