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PostSubject: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeThu Feb 24, 2011 10:41 am


for those who may be interested
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeFri Feb 25, 2011 9:43 am

and for others, who may be interested, in a different way:

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeFri Feb 25, 2011 10:00 am

affraid

sounds like a big case of ENVY to me
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeFri Feb 25, 2011 10:36 am

could be, i thought was pretty clever ...
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maybe this one is more ... from an objective (?) side?

"I urge all indigenous people to coordinate with their tribal members living in urban areas to identify instances in which our sacred traditions are being abused, and then to resist this abuse, utilizing whatever specific tactics are necessary and sufficient.

As indigenous people, we all need to take strong action to ensure that our culture would be carried on by the younger generations, and by the generations yet to come. Our relatives have sacrificed in many areas to ensure that both our language and way of life will always survive and flourish for us not to take action against those who thoughtless exploit our life ways for money."

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeFri Feb 25, 2011 10:44 am

um .... just an idea here, sky, tell me what you think ...
LG is to be a guest speaker in palm springs this weekend,
and james gilliland is scheduled, too ... maybe gio
could ask james to keep his antennae up and sort of give
us an impression of the vibe


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because, as you know, i basically default away from high-ticket enlightenment, so this is just interesting, fyi

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeFri Feb 25, 2011 12:06 pm

lol!

well Hippie, my friend, i refuse to play the game of my guru is better than your guru..hahahahah...just not on my list of fun.

but i will give you my reasons to post what she has to say..
first off..she condemns no one
and from what i have heard (and admittedly i don't hang on her every spoken word)
i have only heard her encourage others to grow into their own power.
.a topic and thought that i am greatly enamored of..and profess at ever opportunity..


now for the so-called self-proclaimed "real natives"..(and i do question who in that self named group can toss the first rock)
to have such a pissed-offness that her dress somehow means she is STEALING something from natives makes me laugh my ass off..
how many times have you enjoyed dressing in native gear and pretending you were one....or any other "outfit"and group?

the self-proclaimed natives have over reacted in my not so humble opinion here
..they are screaming she is taking something scared from them
bullshit...they gave it away a long time ago and look around there are plenty of "real" natives selling their stuff
i've been to several talks by them personally and they aren't that wonderful
....they're just mad they aren't getting the credit they think they should
or the cash

now onto asking this other guy about checking her out..are you serious?...really...?
why do you buy into his speal?
..what makes him any better..?
hell there he is selling himself at the same conference..kinda putting them on the same footing/shelf/wavelength?????

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeSat Feb 26, 2011 2:02 pm

i won't play the guru game, either, otter ...
i do not have a guru, so i am out ....
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i think the indians are watching and commenting and
organizing against ALL people who seem, to the indians,
to be commercializing sacred info/objects/ceremonies
for profit .... in my experience, when i compare someone
like john trudell (for an example) to kiesha c, trudell
rings truest, hands down and kiesha's credibility drops ...
***
all i know is this: i could take all the new age/indigenous info
i have soaked up over the last 40 years, dress up in some
sort of costume, whether it be indian regalia or saffron robes,
and begin to speak/make vids/write essays/give interviews/etc
and some may be fooled into thinking i am the "real deal" ...
i probably wouldn't get too far, cuz you would need a bunch of cash
to propel the "business" toward any kind of big money ...
apparently, kiesha has some great backing, to have become so
popular so quickly ... and there is more to it than simply preaching
about love and light ... kiesha's assistant or manager started
to threaten lawsuits against people speaking out against her
and on their forum (tribe of many colors) anyone who asks a question
in regard to this "conflict" between kiesha and debunkers is
immediately banned ... there was a message sent out, supposedly
from this same manager, that the "dark ones" who have engaged in the
search for truth (or, smear campaign they would have you believe)
have had a curse put on them ... !!! doesn't sound so "loving" now, does it?
***
so my question is, if kiesha is truly who
she says she is, why does she choose NOT to answer specific
inquiries into her lineage? why does she say she was appointed/trained
by a holy man of the tribe, but the tribe has no knowledge of this
male person? why does she claim to be recognized by others who then
put out a notice that she is mistaken? why have there been so many edits to
her own website, and i am talking about specific claims, not typos here...
just way too many questions for me to accept, without investigation, who this woman is ...
***
you must understand, please, that i do not discuss my thoughts and feelings
here because i think any of you need protection from con games, i contribute to
the conversation in the same spirit as any other topic - i am curious
to know the truth
***
if you visit lg's forum, i think you will see a lot of similarities to other
forums we have discussed along with methods of indoctrination/censorship/cult-like behavior ...
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeSat Feb 26, 2011 4:16 pm

Them there are very good points hippie, started ringing lots of bells for me now.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeSat Feb 26, 2011 5:27 pm

sunny

you must understand, please, that i do not discuss my thoughts and feelings
here because i think any of you need protection from con games, i contribute to
the conversation in the same spirit as any other topic - i am curious
to know the truth
***
if you visit lg's forum, i think you will see a lot of similarities to other
forums we have discussed along with methods of indoctrination/censorship/cult-like behavior ...


Hippie..i can now see where we differ so widely on this....
i don't follow her..or go looking for her stuff..or visit her forum, if a firend sends me the you tube and i like it - i share here..or if it is here i
ususally watch..
i have no idea what is going on on her forum but sounds like i don't want to either from what you have said
obviously you are watching more closely to see what you have shared...

i am still where i take what i can use and leave the rest...so the fact she has gathered such loud detractors
doesn't bother me in the least..i haven't been listening or reading except what is here
and
while i am in no way promoting HER..i still do enjoy her messages....when she starts to ask for my cash or
participation to listen then..guess what..i won't be hearing anything at all

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeSat Feb 26, 2011 5:37 pm

well, that palm springs event is happening now ....
gosh, if i only had a couple hundred bucks, i coulda bought into
participation online ... oh well
***
there are some indians who are there, peacefully handing out
flyers to try and get their concerns out in the open ... it is reported
that kiesha was throwing up at the airport on the way to the event
and that she has blamed it on the detractors (who are mostly indians)
***
sometimes those curses can come back to bite you in the ass
***
the reason i have continued to think about this/dig deeper/keep watch
is because i am the type of naive, trusting person who has embraced
certain philosophies or techniques in sort of a romantic manner, not
a scholarly one, and i am afraid i have been duped before, so i am
that much more vigilant now
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well i think vigilant is good

and i also think that listening to these folks talking is like listening to music
you listen to what you like

but you don't have to sing along
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The whole thing is intriguing for me I must say, I do love some intrigue as you all know lol.

Oooh, hippie the fact that she was throwing up on the way there is something of a worry, I mean if she's not pregnant ofcourse. If you are totally comfortable with your mission you would think you would be strong, although it looks like whoever is backing her has very sharp claws.

To the person with the claws, beware throwing out curses like that, they can turn around quick and hit you in the face.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 10:11 am

another itsy bitsy little dot .....

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(That it's out now that Crowther and Ferraro are a couple, that is romantic partners, is an interesting twist. Like pretty much all of us here I think, we have no problem with her being gay. NAFPS has long had gay members and we kicked out people before for gay bashing. But since Ferraro is now her romantic partner PLUS business partner says even more that she is the real power behind the throne, perhaps the Svengali pulling Crowther's strings.)

source: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2871.990#ixzz1FGxJXGwe

ummmmm, ferraro is the assistant who supposedly is the one who sent out the curse ...
and threatened the lawsuits ... it sure seems plausible to me that she could
be kiesha's handler, the brains (money?) behind this project
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peace

ya know that would be really sad if she is being used and too dumb or blinded by ?whatever? to see it....
yep
really sad


and having said that i will say that in her last tape she said something that i have felt and that is to watch your words
i personally think they are more weighted now than ever before...
you know that old saying that if you ever have to eat your words it would be better if they were sweet....

as far as the crystals go..i have had a clear quartz in my pocket for close on 15 years for grounding and so i don't mess with computers and stuff
..hubby has a tiger eye
and i do on occasion put certain crystals (not always quartz) out in the rain...have for a long time..have also buried some in my labyrinth and beside certain trees and spots around the home

so i don't feel she is informing me of things so much as confirming she is hearing what i have heard before
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 1:50 pm

Let's give LG a little credit here. OOOOhhhhh she is good. She knows what to say and how to deliver the message that everyone knows in their heart is right. Beautiful words that resonate with our souls. This is why so many have been taken in.


One problem.....she is milking this for her peronal gain. Follow the money again.

I have no problem with the idea that she may have a relationship with her manager. However she was married and had at least one or perhaps two children. Where are they now in all of this. Very odd.



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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 1:51 pm

Tribe of Many Colors or Tribe of Many Dollars?
By Dr. Al Carroll

Kiesha Crowther AKA “Little Grandmother” has garnered a lot of attention, over a thousand followers, perhaps millions in cash, and even more controversy in less than two years. ...Falsely claiming to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe,” Crowther has gathered an all white, mostly European “Tribe of Many Colors” around her with bizarre claims. Native activists and former followers have vowed to oppose her and expose her.

From Santa Fe to Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands, and soon to that most “American Indian” of places, Palm Springs, Kiesha Crowther draws crowds of hundreds with each gathering of ceremony selling, charging from several hundred to up to $6,000 a person. Crowther is a small red haired woman of 33, yet looks young enough to be a teenager. Adding to the strangeness, Crowther calls herself “Little Grandmother” (she is not one) and often talks in a little girl voice with fanciful (and largely false) stories about her childhood.

Crowther mixes in stories of vulnerability with dire prophecies of doom and fantastic claims, none of which are true. She claims to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe.” She claims to be the descendant of famous Lakota and Salish leaders, with a “fullblood Indian mother” and a grandmother supposedly on the reservation. Crowther claims to be made “shaman” by an alleged Salish elder named Falling Feathers. She claims to be recognized by dozens of tribes from New Zealand to United States to the Arctic Circle to Scandinavia to Central America. She claims to have been recognized by Native tribes at as young as age eight and to be the fulfillment of a supposed prophecy about a “fair haired girl.” She even suggests in one video that she is the returned White Buffalo Calf Woman of Lakota prophecy, a claim sure to outrage the Plains Indian tribes that hold the prophecy sacred.

Yet not a single one of these claims are true. Most are extremely obvious lies.

Who Is The Real Kiesha Crowther?

The real Kiesha Crowther was born Kiesha Rae Kreps in Sanford, Colorado, to a white middle class background, with a truck driver father and a mother owning small businesses. Her mother’s maiden name is Rodda. The Salish tribe she claims to have ancestry from do not have a single known person named Crowther, Kreps, or Rodda, either enrolled or known to the small and close knit community. (Most Salish have Irish last names given them by missionaries. A few Salish have traditional names, but none are ever translated into English.) The Salish elders in fact issued a public statement, saying officially she is not their “shaman,” asking her to quit claiming so, and pointing out no Salish had ever even heard of her. Their statement in full is at the end of this article.

Contrary to Crowther/Krep’s claim of a “fullblood Indian” mother and grandmother, there is no evidence of any Native ancestry in her family line. Her family ancestry has been traced back to her great-grandparents from England. Every census form lists all of her ancestors as white. No one else in the family has ever claimed to be or identified as American Indian, including her mother and grandmother. The only Natives in the family are two children (with no relation by blood) adopted by an uncle near Missoula, Montana. Kiesha Crowther’s mother and other family members have in fact urged her repeatedly to quit lying about the family ancestry.

Kiesha Kreps was raised as a Mormon and baptized into the Mormon Church at age eight at the same time she claims to have been recognized by Indian tribes and living alone in the woods. Crowther was married in the Mormon Church in Littleton, Colorado, and was a practicing member of the church only two years ago. She is married with two children, but separated from her husband and estranged from her entire family due to her “calling.”

In fact, absolutely no one in her family backs her claims of Native ancestry or being a “shaman.” A source very close to the family called her a “fraud” and “elaborate liar.” Numerous stories Kiesha Crowther tells at paid ceremonies are described as “lies,” such as claiming to have lived alone in the woods, nursing a dying owl, and being recognized by tribal leaders. The young Kiesha Kreps was actually fairly popular in school and not the lonely isolated kid she claims. Crowther's stranger lies include once giving a "Viking treasure ring" to her sister, who then noted one could see the trademark symbol on it.

The same source close to the family also claims Crowther’s veterinary degree is fake and came from an online degree mill, with the "degree" printed in notebook style paper rather than the stock paper degrees generally come on. It was also confirmed an animal rescue group Crowther claimed to have started is phony. The same source says Crowther plagiarized the poems she claimed to write and largely copied the paintings and other artwork she did.

Even Kiesha Crowther’s online biography as an artist is filled with falsehoods. She claimed to have been awarded Poet of the Year in 2003, 2004, and 2005 in separate cities. The “awards” are given out by the International Society of Poets, a pay to publish outfit that will include you in vanity editions for twenty five dollars each. She claimed her poem “Reach For My Hands” was made into a song by the “Willow Folk Group.” There is no sign of such a group, but there is a Willow Folk Festival in England. She claimed one of her poems was published in a book, “Poems for Peace,” chosen by former First Lady Laura Bush. There is no sign of the book nor of Laura Bush’s involvement, unless one counts her refusing to show up at a gathering of poets reciting poems opposed to the Iraq War. Crowther’s bio also claims she was “awarded the Life Experience Bachelors and holds a Masters Degree of Art from Almeda University.” Almeda University is an unaccredited online degree mill. In a 2004 expose by CBS News, a reporter successfully got his dog awarded a degree from Almeda.

How It All Began For a Would Be Shaman

Kiesha Crowther/Krep’s claims of how she became a “shaman” have changed rapidly and dramatically in less than two years since she began. In April of 2010, Crowther made the claim she originally had gotten a phone call from a group of all the Salish elders who told her she was the “fair haired child of prophecy” and they had a sacred bundle waiting for her made centuries ago.

But in June of 2010, that account changed. She claims instead an unnamed “Sioux man” made her a shaman.

That same month, Crowther also claimed she was made shaman by a group of “grandmothers” of both the Salish and “Sioux” tribes.

(Note for non-Native people: Natives generally don’t refer to the “Sioux” since this is an outdated outsider’s term. The actual tribes are called the Dakota, Lakota, and Nakoda, often called collectively the Lakota. There are dozens of Lakota bands at reservations and reserves. The Salish is an entirely different people and culture.)

In December 2010, Crowther’s story changed dramatically. No longer was there any mention of groups of women elders, nor of “Sioux men.” Instead she now claims there was a single Salish elder she calls Falling Feathers who made her “shaman for the Sioux and Salish tribes.”

There is no evidence at all that Falling Feathers ever existed, other than Crowther’s claims. Crowther claims he was an important elder, so widely known she assumed he was speaking for all Salish elders. The Salish elders have never heard of him and neither have any other Salish contacted for this article. His alleged name does not fit typical Salish names, which are either Irish or traditional Salish names not translated into English.

Conveniently, Crowther claims Falling Feathers recently died. There is no mention on tribal sites of a prominent elder dying recently. Crowther’s supporter, manager, and longtime friend Jennifer Ferraro also claims Falling Feathers was a member of the “governing council” for the “Confederated Sioux Salish.” Neither of those exists, but there is a tribal council for the Confederated Salish and Kootenai. The Lakota bands and tribes, as mentioned before, are spread across over two dozen reservations and reserves.

Only a few days after her December statement, Crowther changed her story in the most drastic way yet. She now claims to have never been teaching Native ways at all. This despite dressing up in American Indian regalia (though it was a shirt only worn by Native males), using what she seems to have believed was American Indian face paint, using what she claims was a Native pipe, and claiming her initiation came from Native elders, or alternately, a single Native elder who has passed away no one else ever heard of.

Crowther has also continually claimed the endorsement of numerous indigenous elders and other religious leaders, without evidence. Many of those she claims are Native elders actually are imposters.

She claims the endorsement of Cherokee elders. None of the traditional Cherokee elders in the Eastern Band ever heard of her.

She claims to have been recognized as a shaman by “lamas of Nepal and Tibet.” There are hundreds of such Buddhist teachers, but the only one she ever named was Lakha Lama, whom she met in Sweden. Lakha Lama gave her a blessing when Crowther asked for one, but this is neither an endorsement nor recognition, only kind words. Buddhist lamas, like American Indian traditionalists, also condemn teaching for a fee, especially very high fees as Crowther does.

Crowther also for a time claimed Sammi elders in Sweden authorized and endorsed her. Then her claim was removed from her websites. She further claimed Inuit elders gave her a crystal “from the North Pole” and that she was “giving the crystal back to the Sammi” when she buried the crystal in Sweden. There is no land, only ice at the North Pole. Crystals do not form in ice, only in land. Geologists consulted for this story say it likely is an ordinary crystal bought in a shop for less than 200 dollars, one dug up by strip mining.

On one of her visits to Sweden she claimed all Native tribes recognized and endorsed her, and that she was shaman for all of them. Since there are over 500 tribes in the US alone, the absurdity of this claim is obvious.

More recently, Crowther also claimed she was made shaman by a “Sioux” named Grandmother Lota or Lootha. Crowther also claims to be related to “Sioux” she calls Ciqalah Lotah and Ciqala Jensen. Fluent Lakota speakers we spoke to pointed out those words do not exist in the Lakota language. No one in any of the Lakota communities we contacted ever heard of Crowther or the people she claims to be related to or authorized her.

Crowther also claims the endorsement of Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez, sometimes called Wandering Wolf. Perez is a Mayan leader who appears on a number of New Age sites. However, there is no evidence of Perez ever endorsing Crowther. Perez is actually on record as strongly disagreeing and even mocking the claims of Crowther and other that the world will end in 2012. The maker of a documentary on Perez and Crowther denounced in fierce terms the “exploitation” of Perez by New Agers such as Crowther.

Crowther also is an associate of and claims the endorsement of two imposters who falsely claim to be Native elders, Adam DeArmon, a white New Age operator in Sedona, and John Kimmey, a white New Ager barred from the Hopi reservation and condemned by Hopi spiritual leaders for selling ceremony and making false claims.

The (All White) Tribe of Many Colors

Why would a self styled “shaman” who spent most of two years claiming Native elders authorized her suddenly claims to have never been doing Native teachings? Numerous family and friends of Crowther’s followers, as well as former followers, began to ask Native activists about the authenticity of her claims. By September of 2010, the chorus of criticism began to rise and put Crowther and her management on the defensive.

Crowther’s following she dubbed the Tribe of Many Colors has some striking characteristics. It has absolutely no Native members at all (including Crowther.) Outside of a member of Crowther’s management team, all seem to be exclusively white. Much like the Tea Party, they are also prone to throwing around the claim that they are hated supposedly for being white.

Such a claim falls apart because many of her critics are themselves white, especially former followers. The claim is even more striking because of the racism in some of the imagery and words used by Crowther and her “tribe.” In one trip to Sweden, Crowther spoke about the alleged superiority of Swedish people over all others. Crowther frequently claims all Native elders, or even all Native people, are supporting her, waiting for her, and depend upon her and her message even for their very survival. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Most Natives never heard of her. Those that have are strongly opposed to her.

Who is behind Crowther’s rapid rise among New Age leaders? Our source very close to the family says Crowther has no computer skills nor business or organizing acumen, nothing that could account for her success except a vivid imagination. The same source attributes everything Crowther has done to two people and one group; Adam DeArmon AKA Adam Yellowbird, a white New Age operator in Sedona; Santa Fe Soul, which sponsors some of Crowther’s talks; and especially Crowther’s longtime friend Jennifer Ferraro. Our source described Fierro as a failed performance artist who claims to be Native but is actually Italian and Greek. Online discussions between Crowther and Ferraro seem to show Ferraro as the real brains of the operation, the power behind the throne, her manager, website operator, and even her director. Crowther defers to her in public talks, and Ferraro frequently talks in one messages to Crowther like a mother to a small child.

Our source close to the family is worried the Tribe of Many Colors will "become another Jonestown" and is at a loss for how her family can get her to see sense. Whether the “tribe” self destruct violently is yet to be seen, but they are extraordinarily intolerant of dissent or criticism of any kind. Its website was heavily censored, with any daring to question Crowther kicked out. Recently their website was so overwhelmed by dealing with criticism it was taken down entirely. Crowther’s inner circle, especially Ferraro, have begun throwing around legal threats at any who dare to critique Crowther. Ferraro, though she is not a lawyer, sent threats to sue to at least five people. The “tribe” also sent infiltrators to sites critical to Crowther to gather information on critics.

There are currently plans for a book by Crowther, and two documentaries, one favorable to her and one critical. There are also ongoing plans for protests of Crowther’s ceremony selling by Native activists and her many non-Native critics. The Salish tribal council is considering legal action. The controversy is not going away.

Dr. Al Carroll is a historian, professor, former Fulbright Scholar, and activist for Native causes. His first book is Medicine Bags and Dog Tags: American Indian Veterans From Colonial Times to the Second Iraq War from University of Nebraska Press.

Research for this article includes contributions by numerous activists, former followers, Sky Davis and T. Tavares, and a source very close to the Crowther family. Annika Banfeld translated articles and radio interviews from Swedish to English.

Statement of the Salish Elders:

"The Culture and Elders Committee of the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes of the Flathead Reservation protect the intangible cultural resources of the tribes including language, songs, stories etc.

"No tribal Elders or elders have met with nor do they condone the claims and actions made by Kiesha Crowther.

"She is not their 'shaman', she has no right to claim this title and the Elders and elders of CSKT of the Flathead Reservation would like her to cease and desist immediately from making such false claims that erode the traditions that members of the CSKT Culture and Elders Committee are trying to preserve."

The posting of this statement came with the permission and urging of the Salish elders. Anyone doubting this message's authenticity can contact the Flathead Reservation.

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 3:09 pm

poke OUCH...poke .OH... poke...HEY... poke ALRIGHT stop the damn poking, ok???

ok..you guys have convinced me ..she's a fraud..she's in it for the money....she'll be another jones town...ohh poor me for being so fuckin stupid to not see it..to only listen...or ask for others to just take what works for them and walk away....i must be smacked on my knuckles
opps, i mean over the head

blah blah blah...

my comment is this

if all these new age folk or whatever you want to call them..
oh maybe the title shoudl be way-showers
if they were looked at as closely as she has been..there would be no one to follow...to read..to argue with or about
hell, the silence would be deafening and welcome
and
maybe instead of trying to prove a point some or all of us
(yeah me included..because this arguing is one reason i don't waste my time at forums)
would think for ourselves

honest..it really is possible to do it
turn off all the stuff and sit still ..baby, let your mind roll on.....and on and on
you guys might be real surprised what you really know
because
we really do have all the answers ..
we really are those we have been waiting for
we really are so awesome if we would only remember WHO the fuck we really are
that's what I THINK we should be working on and talking about

think about the conversations and posts on here lately..are they lifting your spirits or your mood
or are they draggin you down wondering how you will ever make it thur what's coming
and oh my..all the horror of what's coming

my strong comment is...you will surely find what you are looking for


me..i'm going looking for the joy of the day
the thrill of being alive in the here and now
the total beauty of this heavy meat suit i'm draggin around
how it works ...it's marvelous....
and so
i wish for each and everyone here and there to find some joy
and to spread it around
instead of the manure that sadly seems to be the topic of the days/DAZE


so fellow travelers..i wish for you happy daze and much joy in yourself and those you come across

blessing on your/our journey

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 3:49 pm

Gee Mic, married with children, I thought she was married but I didnt know she had kids.

This is all getting more and more......................? I dont know what to say now.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 4:43 pm

I didn't mean to upset you Sky. I only posted because I felt that she has conned us. (LG) I will be the first to admit that I was totally taken in by her. I hate to admit it, but I even donated a small sum to "help" her out.

Her message is beautiful. I love it. Just too bad it comes with the baggage.

If there was a way we could listen to her message and not know the other side of the story, it would be wonderful.

Couldn't she have just been a wonderful person with a message for people to listen to, rather than including the native people and saying that she was a shaman for them?

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 4:56 pm

micjer wrote:
I didn't mean to upset you Sky. I only posted because I felt that she has conned us. (LG) I will be the first to admit that I was totally taken in by her. I hate to admit it, but I even donated a small sum to "help" her out.

Her message is beautiful. I love it. Just too bad it comes with the baggage.

If there was a way we could listen to her message and not know the other side of the story, it would be wonderful.

Couldn't she have just been a wonderful person with a message for people to listen to, rather than including the native people and saying that she was a shaman for them?

my love

I think most of us were taken in Mic. She was soft spoken, relayed her message of love and peace and all the rest in a very good fashion, but I would like to know in the end if someone is being truthful and it looks like she's not in respect to her native background and being made a shaman.

It's not really nice if the purpose is to rake in money by telling untruths Mic and I know you were a fan. I'm glad you posted this because it helps me be more discerning about stuff I come across on the search. rainbow heart
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 5:28 pm

Probably the majority of websites are established to make money. Whether it is to sell a book or DVD, a membership to a radio program, or tickets to an upcoming convention or seminar, many see the internet as a sales tool. Very few are doing it just to help out humanity.


If someone chooses to hang their shingle out for business, they better not be deceitful in todays environment, because the truth will come out.

If you think about it, LG really only messed up by saying she was representing the native people. The rest of her story would have flown if she hadn't said she was their shaman.




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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 7:12 pm

sunny

If there was a way we could listen to her message and not know the other side of the story, it would be wonderful.

well Mic
that is where i was untill all the negative on her ...really the message was what resonated with me..and still does...

it is sad if she really is as the article states...but again..i say why do folks believe the bad stuff is true all the time
how do you know she didn't just piss someone off....not that i really even care..

my point is that if it is gloom and doom the attention seems to go right to it..doesn't seem like anyone is trying to be more up lifting
for every post on problems..how many posts on how to deal in a positive way are there?
how many solutions are offerered?

see where i am going?

honest ..you did not upset me..but i think pollyanna (me) needs either a nice bottle of happy or some time to balance
the pissed off ness back to being able to handle everyone going to the damn dark side and being ok with other peoples choices...
so some nice walks in the inch plus of rain will work..hahahahahahaha..
hell just the thought of it makes me laugh
i consider you guys here as siblings and sometimes i can hear mom yell..you kids go to you own rooms till i say you can come out
lol!

headin for my room for a bit

take care
big hugs
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 7:25 pm

Yep Big Hugs all around.

I am in. Let's take all the love and light she is offering. But just ignore the paying part.

Like going to the drive in and watching from the other side of the fence! hehe


She does deliver a beautiful message.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeMon Feb 28, 2011 11:35 pm

Yes I have avoided this thread for the result it displayed . I too love the message it sounds wonderful Native AMERICAN SPIRITUALITY IS ONE of the things I really enjoy. she takes that message and charges for it and she is not alone by any means. I don`t fault her for it she is no different then Wilcock or that jackass from the fly . Its what the natives say about what she is doing and her response to it that shames her . In the end she has to live with herself . But I no longer listen to her message because of it. Sky enjoy your bottle of happy you deserve it
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 little grandmother   2011 little grandmother Icon_minitimeSun Mar 06, 2011 5:30 pm

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As N_B wrote; I have avoided this thread

Ditto for me, i was like wtf Little grandmother( Sleep)
but i got an facebook-message, so it decided to check here anyhow.

Now:
It was prophecy that scared the Hell out of me (sinds 911), And the Hopi sticked to me because of there foretelling.
But only because of fear, to me the prophecy is out of logic.

Never the less, confincing?

Here i quote a regualar list of "Hopi" signs ( ;
Quote :
"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies."

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle."

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron."

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web."

"This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun."

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it."

"This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.
This list is an average to me, at least when i Google Hopi prophecy.

please check here interpretation:


She totally made me, doubt the native's originality.

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