Spiritual Growth

today, my spiritual growth is most important...
i ask myself, how can i make this moment any better?
i listen to myself ask questions, i try to find answers,
it leads to more questions, i adjust my thinking, my being,
and so it goes.....

now i realize that "survival" usually connotes bunkers
and weapons and food caches, but i just cannot go
there... it's like, i know alex jones is a genuine article
but i cannot listen too much, it lowers my vibration...

i prefer to survive by being ready for the paradigm
shift, i am only now finding out what my part may be,
and i have all my antennae searching for signals...

winehippy this is a great thread to start. And your words about Alex Jones is also the way I feel. I know Alex Jones is 100% correct and he is doing a great service as you well know for people that might not be in the "know" so to speak. I used to listen to alex everyday for about two years but had to stop after I learned what I learned from him, and then had to seek my solutions for all the problems Jones brought up.

I have learned "at least for me" to not be caught up in the "store up everything" mode of thinking. It is not practical for me to store thinks up since I have not been in the system matrix for over twenty years and have no money or property at all.

I think God has informed me that if and when "push comes to shove" or to say it another way "when the rubber hits the road" that God will take care of "all my needs".

This I truly believe and expect.

If the government tries to starve me out, I will simply have to believe God for my daily food and shelter, and I also have examples of God doing this for those he loves in the scriptures, so I am not worried about any government plan to cut me off from food in order to make me one of them.

Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

AS YOUR FAITH IS, SO BE IT. This is a true saying.

Yes, we have to have FAITH and not be afraid.

God will take care of us because we are now on a higher vibration and we have PEACE knowing that.

Gabriel wrote:

but had to stop after I learned what I learned from him, and then had to seek my solutions for all the problems Jones brought up.

exactly, Gabriel!

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I have learned "at least for me" to not be caught up in the "store up everything" mode of thinking. It is not practical for me to store thinks up since I have not been in the system matrix for over twenty years and have no money or property at all.

I think God has informed me that if and when "push comes to shove" or to say it another way "when the rubber hits the road" that God will take care of "all my needs".

This I truly believe and expect.

this is same feeling i have, so i feel a bit like the
Fool in the Tarot, stepping off a cliff seemingly unaware....
but with a smile on his face

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If the government tries to starve me out, I will simply have to believe God for my daily food and shelter, and I also have examples of God doing this for those he loves in the scriptures, so I am not worried about any government plan to cut me off from food in order to make me one of them.

Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

this is what i mean by "opting out" and is the best solution i
have found for myself...

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AS YOUR FAITH IS, SO BE IT. This is a true saying.

amen

great thread winehippy.......we really need to be more solution oriented........

agree with you gabe and linda.......
i´m not afraid either.......we will be fine as long as we are centered.......they can never take away our power if we don´t allow them too.......they can try whatever.....but if we stay centered they can´t touch us !!!!!

You are so right Zuni!

i feel that the growth is taking on a fractal nature, growing
and creating a snowflake crystal pattern from the center inside, outwards....

and sis - we have both been following leads for a long
while and i feel so fortunate to be able to have the power
of 2 working on it.... we both get led down different paths
but come back to the same one, in and out, bobbing and weaving.....

I agree. Alex Jones is doing a service to wake up the masses. I agree that we have moved on past the doom and gloom. It is more important to keep our frequencies high and not to be pulled down by negativity.

I always enjoy visiting Sanat's website when I need a lift.

here is the link to his site:

http://www.wakeupcall2012.com/


:D

thanks for the link......i´m hoping sanat will show up here and share with us ......i was just starting to get into his posts........

zuni wrote:

thanks for the link......i´m hoping sanat will show up here and share with us ......i was just starting to get into his posts........

I have emailed him directly. Haven't heard back but hopefully he will join us.

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this is same feeling i have, so i feel a bit like the
Fool in the Tarot, stepping off a cliff seemingly unaware....
but with a smile on his face

same here!
Children of the Universe! You shall not come last but first!
they can starve us, poison us, heck they can probably even kill our bodies, but they can't kill us! not any more than they can kill The Word!
i love the Fool

btw,
http://dedroidify.blogspot.com/
very good i think.
just thought it might be worth mentioning, in case people don't already know about it...

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i love the Fool

i have a deck of JUST fools!
different illustrations from all kinds of decks...... :joker:

a deck of fools...hmmm...i feel inspired to write a song now...

Linda wrote:

Yes, we have to have FAITH and not be afraid.

God will take care of us because we are now on a higher vibration and we have PEACE knowing that.

I only partially agree with this. You don't get taken care of, saved or rescued! I don't think you meant like this but in any case I want to labour the point :)

God (or whatever spiritual superior you find relevant) will only take care of you if you take care of yourself. There is no "rescue" or "saving" of victims, but there is, an abundance of help and assistance for those who have made the choice to survive - or who simply ask for it -but you have to act.

Being on a "higher vibration" is great; however, it is what got you there and the ongoing sustained effort to further improve which is the key to obtaining the needed assistance from the universe. In our current predicament that is largely making the choice to survive and then setting your intent accordingly.

The law of attraction cannot function for you unless you provide something tangible that can be attracted to that is created by focussed intent. Referring to the quoted statement: it can be seen that the "Law of Allowance" is well taken care of, and this is the part I agreed with.

Bottom line, we are not innocent victims, we are very powerful beings, fledgling Gods no less, and we are all responsible for using that power in the ways that are for the highest and best good of all.

I know that this message is ridden with cliche. Sorry. I still mean it all though.

A..

spiritual growth is fine. don`t want to spread fear here, but first of all one needs to take care of one`s next of kin..that`s a must before one considders taking on spiritual growth. because spiritual growth and ego trip do not match..jesus already said this with different words..something like: "love your next.....".
one can not make it alone..bluntly said, it`s: "all or none"..because this seems quite impossible, we will probably get divine assistance in this matter (hope so, otherwise we`re screwed). in the end all will have reached / been helped to reach the same growth level..the way in which this manifests, however, will vary from one individual to the other.

capreycorn wrote:

spiritual growth and ego trip do not match (...) it`s: "all or none"..

so agreed. but the realization of this must begin within you...then you must act. all or none is a good way to say it. this is basically theravada vs mahayana.

Hello Anchor

don't confuse my faith with being a victim. I am not a victim, I am a co creator just as everyone else can be if they so choose. And for the fact of God taking care of me simply means that God will feed me if I choose not to take a chip in order to survive.

The children of Israel in the desert for 40 years ate Manna and quail dropped out of the sky for them by God. Elijah had birds bring him food. These stories are there to teach us to trust, not to be lazy and sit around on our ass and cry about being victims.

Now if you are one that does not believe scripture then that is your choice. God will save your ass, if you have "taken up your cross" to do all that you can do, and in the end of the day if you do not have food, then God will feed you. That is being "saved" from starvation and he might have to do it for you if you have no other choice. And by the way, I have been already saved once by God by giving me eternal life. Saving is Gods job when his children have no other recourse.

I have not read anywhere on this page where someone is suggesting that we simply sit around on our ass waiting to be saved. By not taking a chip is an act of faith, and God will honor this for all that do it.

Also I never saw anyone on this page say anything about being innocent. That is your argument not the intention of these posts as my understanding sees it.

Most people here are mature and knowledgeable and you have taken their posts out of context in my opinion.

capreycorn wrote:

spiritual growth is fine. don`t want to spread fear here, but first of all one needs to take care of one`s next of kin..that`s a must before one considders taking on spiritual growth. because spiritual growth and ego trip do not match..jesus already said this with different words..something like: "love your next.....".
one can not make it alone..bluntly said, it`s: "all or none"..because this seems quite impossible, we will probably get divine assistance in this matter (hope so, otherwise we`re screwed). in the end all will have reached / been helped to reach the same growth level..the way in which this manifests, however, will vary from one individual to the other.

One does not have to take care of one's next of kin before spiritual growth. Our first responsibility is to ourselves before we can try to help others.

If one's next of kin is an evil, disruptive pain in the butt, I would first try everything that I could to help them. Once I was throughly drained and saw that it was nothing but useless energy wasted, I would move on knowing that I tried my best. Without any guilt.

Believe it or not, sometimes they were placed in your life to keep you from sprirtual growth.
btw, I speak from first hand experience.

Linda wrote:

One does not have to take care of one's next of kin before spiritual growth. Our first responsibility is to ourselves before we can try to help others.

If one's next of kin is an evil, disruptive pain in the butt, I would first try everything that I could to help them. Once I was throughly drained and saw that it was nothing but useless energy wasted, I would move on knowing that I tried my best. Without any guilt.

Believe it or not, sometimes they were placed in your life to keep you from sprirtual growth.
btw, I speak from first hand experience.

good point linda.......your post resonates with me and what i have experienced........

Yes, Zuni....Sometimes removing someone from our life is the only way to spiritual growth.
At first it's painful, but worth it in the end once we realized why they were placed there.

Gabriel,

Thanks your your reaction to my post.

Gabriel wrote:

don't confuse my faith with being a victim.

I have not so confused it.

If anything you seem to have this concept completely in agreement with the way I understand it. I was (intending to) speak to a general principle or idea that one should not be a victim, but you appear to have taken my comments personally either on your own account or on behalf of others. I am sorry for that. I don't accuse anyone of having victim conciosness here.

Did you actually disagree with my post?

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Most people here are mature and knowledgeable and you have taken their posts out of context in my opinion.

I hope that I dont do that. Do you mean here in this thread or outside this thread? If so I need to watch my step. It is not my intention to imply anything about anybody. I am trying to speak always in general terms - except when asked specific questions or the thread refers to specifcs things or people.

Thanks for making me think about it.

I really like your posts by the way.

A..

Linda wrote:

Yes, Zuni....Sometimes removing someone from our life is the only way to spiritual growth.
At first it's painful, but worth it in the end once we realized why they were placed there.

Interesting point Linda.

I left a very toxic relationship where my ex was living a double life. I was seeking answers internally to reveal the big 'why' while trying to develop self expansion and awareness of the experience. I was very confused at the time why that chapter unfolded in my life.

I totally agree Linda some may hinder your spiritual growth however without the adversaties what lessons could be learnt. Is that also part of the spiritual growth process? From that toxic relationship I truly appreciate and adore my partner today. I have never been so treated well and would never appreciate it on an unseen level had I not been through that past experience. My spiritual growth now is represented like compound interest multiplying to the infinity with my beautiful partner by my side.

Reunite wrote:

Linda wrote:

Yes, Zuni....Sometimes removing someone from our life is the only way to spiritual growth.
At first it's painful, but worth it in the end once we realized why they were placed there.

Interesting point Linda.

I left a very toxic relationship where my ex was living a double life. I was seeking answers internally to reveal the big 'why' while trying to develop self expansion and awareness of the experience. I was very confused at the time why that chapter unfolded in my life.

I totally agree Linda some may hinder your spiritual growth however without the adversaties what lessons could be learnt. Is that also part of the spiritual growth process? From that toxic relationship I truly appreciate and adore my partner today. I have never been so treated well and would never appreciate it on an unseen level had I not been through that past experience. My spiritual growth now is represented like compound interest multiplying to the infinity with my beautiful partner by my side.

I had to remove many people from my life once I discovered that I had always been controlled and constantly spied on. I do believe that I had to suffer that horrible betrayal and pain to get to where I am today.

My own family and close friends were part of the team to report on me. I had to examine each person one by one to see the connection to the deception. Finally I am at peace with a few special people in my life that I trust 100%.
I am so happy that you found love and peace too.

Reunite,
I really enjoyed reading your post when you said you have found happiness., brilliant.
Pain is a way of growth, but we tend to forget that happiness and seeing joy in ourselves and others is also the way to growth. Long may it last.
Love in spirit,
Tom.

BTW Capreycorn,
You can't give what you haven't got for yourself.
" Love thy neighbour as THYSELF"
When you get it., give it, not 'til then.