Ascension, density shift, time/space, in the light

This is quoted from AV. It was my post so I am allowed ;)

The original post is here http://www.astrovera.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25570&postcount=18, but I have quoted my words fully - even fixed some spelling - so you don't need to go there if you don't want to.

I am putting it here as it fits nicely on this forum and it currently sums up what I think about what is going on.

Anchor wrote:

Thank you, for asking this question and for the emphasis on the requirement for the answer to be in our own words. I will rise to your challenge, the words I write are mine and I accept responsibility for them. They represent my truth of the moment and that is the only guarantee because I have to accept that I could be wrong and I don’t mind if you think I am wrong. If you know better, then I would love to learn.

>would like a physical description of what a density shift is?
The density shift might best described by analogy. Say you live in a cold freshwater environment, and now the water is warming up (increasing in temperature, which as many people know is the increase in molecular vibration). To me that is an accurate analogy of the density shift as observed by a water dweller. As the water changes, the mode of life changes because it is conditioned by its energetic environment.

The passage of the Earth at this time together with the Solar System is into an energetically different part of the Galaxy.

>what starts one?
>what ends one?

The movement within the galaxy, of the planet and the solar system. This movement is periodic. As the Earth transitions certain parts of the galaxy it moves through certain strata of energetic condition. Between each stratum there is a period of adjustment to the new energetic environment – the beginning and the ending of this period is the start and the end referred to in your question.

>ascension/harvest, what is that in detail?

A process whereby a collection of souls are sorted into groups and where these groups gravitate to the environment best suited for their further evolution. The way this works, is that the groups form based on the how the sum of the actions of the individual up to that point, from the beginning of individualization are polarized. Are they Service to others? Service to Self? Or not quite one or the other. For this density, third density, there are three paths possible: Negative Ascension, No change, Positive Ascension. The no change group will move to a suitable third density planet to continue their evolution. The others will ascend to the correct density for further evolution (4th or 5th) Those ascending to positive 4th density or above will be able to live on the new positive 4th density Earth, no-one else will be able to do that.

>time/space, please explain what this is in detail.

I find this very hard to put into words I will do my best. Space/Time is 4 geometric dimensions – a concept that we are all familiar with in our 3D experience.

To best start defining Time/Space the physical universe is best explained using 6 geometric dimensions – 3 of Space and 3 of Time, each forming a holographic existence - in which all is.

It is possible for us to consciously experience Time/Space – it is the ongoing mode of experience of our 6th density future higher selves; of those who are not incarnated in third density, and where we are when we dream, or if we are meditating successfully.

The perspective of consciousness that is Time/Space is that time is not experienced in the way we experience it – those who can only relate Space/Time, will experience “Timelessness”. The higher your level of consciousness during any part of the day, gives rise to that “where did the time go” phenomena. Certain “higher” technology when applied to the conscious environment can also affect the passage of time. I have experienced this when being “helped”.

>please explain what the "in the Light" is.

This is my best understanding. I am not 100% sure but this is my working model.

There is nothing in the manifest universe other than energy. Infinite intelligent energy permeates all matter and dimensions. Light comes from the action of Love on that Energy and wherein Light then becomes manifest.

In the beginning, there is a formless void (but it is filled with the infinite intelligent energy of the one infinite creator). The word (intent) causes light (an act of Love – the impetus for creation). (Let there be light). From the light comes the rest.

The reference to "in the light" to me represents the conscious knowledge that we are of the light and in the light, and that we are part of the one infinite creator in that we are of the same substance - light.

Thankyou again for asking these questions.

In the glorious light and in the love of the one infinite creator, may we all be blessed, guided and protected on our paths.

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Also in that thread a reference to this book http://www.scribd.com/doc/12655236/The-Law-of-One-Study-Guide-v2 was made. The book is the Law Of One Study guide. I am reading it now. It also contains some quotations from the book "A Course In Miracles" which I have not read, but might get added to my reading list now ;)

hmm!

the book a course in miracles is the backbone of the ego book, take me truth, undoing the ego which i was describing in the other thread. ACIM has a huge following. its sold 1.5 million copies since 1976.

its also big `uns... over 1000 pages.

I have the hardest time coming to grips with the time/space space/time issue. I find my tiny little brain has issues.

I do understand the fact we are light beings with low enough frequencies that we are in 3 D and the higher our frequencies through love the higher dimensionally we can go.

Yes, just go with what your spirit tells you and remember to always keep it simple micjer.

Words that 'gurus' use like:
Ascension, Time/Space, manifest, polarized, density shift, molecular vibration, Earth transitions, harvest, "in the light", formless void, infinite intelligent energy, collection of souls, energetic environment, conscious knowledge, incarnated, meditating and so on
ARE ALL BS to deceive you and to control you.
Be an individual, use your own instincts and never, ever follow anyone who claim to have the 'knowledge' and you will be just fine.

Hi guys

this is an interesting topic...and i have always had a hard time with it..
read the seth stuff first..way back and then the ra material
and still working to see how i can understand it

being all of my re-incarnations at one time and what form or not we take in a different density..
very confusion

just pulled the ra materail books off the shelf this morning to re read..suckers were pretty dusty..hahah
so when i stopped sneezing the frist thing that opened wast book two and about density..hummmmm
so going to go sit and read for awhile
maybe get a handle on it ..

Just remember that you don't need any books or gurus to teach you anything....listen to your inner spirit at all times.

well that goes without saying..but sometimes hearing or reading another point of view jogs the memory of what we already know..

i have never been dumb enough to think one person knows it all

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Words that 'gurus' use like: .... ARE ALL BS to deceive you and to control you.
Be an individual, use your own instincts and never, ever follow anyone who claim to have the 'knowledge' and you will be just fine.

Your examples of words "gurus" like to use correllate pretty well to my post - what a coincidence.

My direct question to you: do you intend to smear me as a deceiver, a spreader of BS and one who trys to control others ?

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This is an interesting topic Anchor. I am interested in the LoO book and discussion. There is some very interesting info in it.

I do see Linda's point about being careful about what people write and say. They can put certain catch words in their lessons / teachings that you are familiar with and then they have you hooked. It is important to follow your gut feeling and to question all.

I agree with Sky that we need to read things that are written to enlighten and remind us of things. I certainly wouldn't be here if I did not read and look into things. I'd still be grazing in the pasture with the other bovines.

I have a basic outline of what I believe to be the truth. I am just looking for confirmation through reading and interaction with similar thinking individuals. Hate being the only one at the party that didn't know it was a black tie event.

micjer wrote:

It is important to follow your gut feeling and to question all.

Absolutely agree. Never stop doing that ever!

I am taking Linda's point more personally than you outline it. I simply reject the notion that I am sharing what I have learned for reasons of deceit or control. Those things are not what I stand for. My mode in (in LoO) terms, is more StO than StS, or a so-called "postively polarised" path.

Now because I use these very words, (refer to Linda's post yesterday), according to her this is all BS to decieve you and control you. Additionally, Linda has said it elsewhere, that she believes the LoO and Ra to be works of deceit - truth mixed with lies - mind control etc.

The only person I will ever trust 100% is my higher self and that would be my recommendation to anyone. Unless I say otherwise, what I say comes from there or is tested there first, however, that still doesnt mean I ever expect that what I say should ever be accepted by anyone without thier own discrimination. I am falible and my words dont come with a guarantee, but I do accept responsibility for each one written or uttered.

Furthermore, and this is the basis of my challenge, Linda doesn't ever say why such concepts should be avoided - except in general terms and backed up with claims of "I know what I am talking about" and "I have vast experience" etc. Isn't that the same thing that the guru's are accused of?

Over the past two or three days, in the light of my refusal to buy into this smurf hate or any kind of vendetta against AV etc, her criticism of my ideas has now extended to somewhat more personal attacks. I (and others here) have been told that I/we have changed and that you can all see it, that I/we have been turned. I think this is nonsense and a smear. It is disrespectful, but I never demanded respect. Respect is nice when you get it, but not necessary. I reserve the right to challenge this behaviour though.

The truth is, that I have my own standards. I don't hate! Sorry but I just don't - never have never will - that's the beginning middle and end of it. Over the past couple of years I have found that my perspective on the world that has become somewhat more inclusive - even though it has its dark spots I still find I cannot hate. Not hate - Love - even the nasty parts - because they are all part of the one infinite creation.

I am changing. My body is changing. My mind and level of conciousness is changing. It is speeding up. I like it! I want to change/evolve more. It is so great that I want to share as much of that as I can. Every word is offered with the implicit caveat that you may reject it. Linda has done that and that is a beautiful thing - she has the right.

At the same time though, and this is my current concern: Linda then goes on to attempt to use her influence to both smear me and what I offer and encourage everyone else to close thier minds and ignore what is said by me and others. This strikes me as attempted freewill infringement and controlling behavior, and also rather disrespectful and condescending to everyone that she in turn is trying to help. I don't mind though - if it wasn't Linda it would be someone else. My point is though that it isnt what I think is something that is for the highest and best good of all, and I encourage a thorough questioning of the motive. Perhaps a mistake has been made - either by me and my interpretation, or by Linda and her recent actions on this forum aimed toward me.

My path is somewhat solitary. I am married to a kindred spirit who shares my voluntary sojourn on this mortal coil with me and helps balance me. By choice we have few friends. She is more warrior spirit, I am not. We are both wanderers. I bring that perspective before you. I am here because I want to be, and because I love to be here and to share what I think I know.

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@Linda: this post is for you as much as a response to micjer. I am sorry that I referred to you in the 3rd person here.

Anchor,
I enjoyed reading your post simply because it was written in a civilised manner.
It is a well crafted, diplomatic response to Linda's rejection of your beliefs.
But then, diplomacy can be a thinly veiled attack sometimes.
I totally disagree with your beliefs in the law of one material, which I have a right to do so.
But I also defend your right to believe in that material. I don't think I have ever expressed my views of my spirituality, because I think they are private unto myself, and to voice them would leave them open to others to express their opinion on them, just as Linda has done.
Once you put your beliefs in the public domain, then you must expect a difference of opinion.
How that response is perceived and acted upon is entirely up to the individual.
The topic must be emphasied and not the personality, and sometimes this is forgotten in the heat of debate.
This is becoming a very good forum, and because of past experiences of other forums, it is natural that one becomes defensive of this place.
If we can all become vigilant of negative 'entities' before jumping the gun, then the forum will go from strength to strength.
With respect, Tom.

pilgrim wrote:

Anchor,
But I also defend your right to believe in that material. I don't think I have ever expressed my views of my spirituality, because I think they are private unto myself, and to voice them would leave them open to others to express their opinion on them, e.
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Interesting, now I have become very intrigued in to what your beliefs are or better yet what beliefs you dont want to present. Which is cool. Why would you want to let it out there, but if you were gonna say some specific things, the internet forum is probably the best place to do it. I mean you dont every have to face the people of the forum. Plus you can just change your name and bounce if people choose to rip you apart. Do you know how many other forums I am on! Not many, but I am just saying if I was.. Test them beliefs out. I remember this one forum I wasnt even really into but I posted a whole story about where I came from and a little trurthful bio summary about myself, only to never to return! Wait... I did return. Cause that forum was sweet!!!

I have no problems with my spirituality, it's my beliefs that I have problems with.
I know that there's 'something' that is ineffable, something so magnificent that words can't describe 'it..', a beauty that my tiny mind can't begin to describe nor imagine 'it'. I don't understand the wonderous creation 'it' has let me glimpse. I do know my heart, my being, my essense and the world I perceive around me, is filled with such love and joy when I feel 'it's' creation.
So how can I believe in something I can't describe nor imagine.
But my essense knows!....and I believe in my essense.

And so why should I let someone else tell me, whether it be on a forum, a book or a 'guru'.
Should I tell the one that knows the ineffable., that it's a liar! That a 'guru' knows better!

I don't think so........but thanks for your concern.

pilgrim wrote:

I know that there's 'something' that is ineffable, something so magnificent that words can't describe 'it..', a beauty that my tiny mind can't begin to describe nor imagine 'it'. I don't understand the wonderous creation 'it' has let me glimpse. I do know my heart, my being, my essense and the world I perceive around me, is filled with such love and joy when I feel 'it's' creation.
So how can I believe in something I can't describe nor imagine.
But my essense knows!....and I believe in my essense.

Thanks for this and the earlier post. I don't want to be seen as attacking - more of a robust questioning.

I have struggled long and hard and failed to put into words what I think you are attempting to describe. There are poets who have managed, but even then I am not accustomed enough to poetic forms to appreciate the art properly.

One of my favorite lines from my all time favorite movie "Contact" is when Jodie Foster's character is on her trip through a space-scape which is staggeringly beautiful. She is lost for words, yet professionally compelled to keep up the running commentary she is giving to her recording equipment - and says voice thick with emotion: "You should have sent a poet".

Last year I stood on a lookout in the Blue Mountains and saw a vista that completely overwhelmed my senses in its magnificence. I was awestruck. My first words were:

"Oh my God, you are amazing".

These words came up from my heart and not my head.

It is known to me as a soul reaction. When it happens I have been known to bawl my eyes out :)

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pilgrim wrote:

I have no problems with my spirituality, it's my beliefs that I have problems with.
I know that there's 'something' that is ineffable, something so magnificent that words can't describe 'it..', a beauty that my tiny mind can't begin to describe nor imagine 'it'. I don't understand the wonderous creation 'it' has let me glimpse. I do know my heart, my being, my essense and the world I perceive around me, is filled with such love and joy when I feel 'it's' creation.
So how can I believe in something I can't describe nor imagine.
But my essense knows!....and I believe in my essense.

And so why should I let someone else tell me, whether it be on a forum, a book or a 'guru'.
Should I tell the one that knows the ineffable., that it's a liar! That a 'guru' knows better!

I don't think so........but thanks for your concern.

I hear that! But just let me tell you this main fact about what you must believe or else you are in trouble!!! I forgot.

I am going to invent a word for that phenomenon by the way. How does Godtiful sound or Godazing or Godool? They actually dont sound that great.

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Thanks for this and the earlier post. I don't want to be seen as attacking - more of a robust questioning.

I have struggled long and hard and failed to put into words what I think you are attempting to describe. There are poets who have managed, but even then I am not accustomed enough to poetic forms to appreciate the art properly.

One of my favorite lines from my all time favorite movie "Contact" is when Jodie Foster's character is on her trip through a space-scape which is staggeringly beautiful. She is lost for words, yet professionally compelled to keep up the running commentary she is giving to her recording equipment - and says voice thick with emotion: "You should have sent a poet".

Last year I stood on a lookout in the Blue Mountains and saw a vista that completely overwhelmed my senses in its magnificence. I was awestruck. My first words were:

"Oh my God, you are amazing".

These words came up from my heart and not my head.

It is known to me as a soul reaction. When it happens I have been known to bawl my eyes out :)

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One time I was looking at the sky and it was a straight up painting, well it always is I guess, but anyway I said " God that is awesome" Then it started to rain and a rainbow appeared. I thought to myself its kind of what happens when you paint on a canvass and water spills onto it, the paints run and a rainbow appears, well kind of. Usually its this black thing, but sometimes it kind of look likes a rainbow. Ah, nevermind. The sky is Gods canvass though. SuperSweet!!!

Oh wait, how about this one "Godwesome"?

Anchor, you and I come from different generations and countries and that makes us very different..
As you know, I do have strong opinions about gurus and their agendas. That is because gurus are suddenly all over the place trying to 'help' people 'evolve' to a 'higher conconscious' to have a 'new perspective' on the world and to become 'one'.

I do see it as a way to control people for the new agenda to make them less of an individual to take away some of their powers so that they will be more manageable.
Why do I say that?
Because in the past, we had no gurus charging us money for books or seminars and we did just fine.
My grandparents were happy, respectful and successful without ever listening to one guru.
My parents were happy, balanced and honest without any gurus. I am happy, balanced, fearless and successful without any gurus.
My friends, classmates and relatives are the same.

Now most people are in guru heaven thinking that they will become more 'evolved' for the 'harvest'. But what I see is sometimes they can become more confused or even more fearful because they may think that they are not quite 'there' yet. So they keep searching for the 'right' guru and the right words....and there is no end to it.

I believe the gurus can take away a person's natural born confidence and they may become dependent on guru teachings that may not apply to that particular person's spirit or mind. I have seen this happen.

That is why I have stayed away from the guru scene. I prefer to think on my own and to plan my life on my own and that helps me be more responsible for myself and my actions. I don't believe anybody needs to have their hand held and that it actually takes away their powerful abilities that we were born with.

I prefer to be like an ancient person who looks to the sky and connects to the Universe instead of a book with all the flowery words the gurus are so fond of using. I am an individual with a mind of my own who can create my own reality and I take responsibility for all my actions and I sleep very well at night knowing that I am only guided by my own spirit because that is all I need. Like my ancestors did.

I did not attack you personally, I voiced my opinion based on my own experiences and observations on people I have met from all over the globe. When I lived in New Zealand, the people were so kind and happy and they never had a guru.

When I spent time in Spain, I noticed the people always laughing and enjoying their life...without ever meeting a guru and when I met the Cuno Indians on San Blas Island who lived in huts, I was impressed on how spiritual and content they were....without even knowing what the word guru meant. The people in Bali are very spiritual and gentle....without ever meeting a guru....I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

I know about business, money and about agendas and gurus leave a bad taste in my mouth because of what I have observed in certain organizations.
I believe we are all born with skills and gifts and that we should use them.
I cannot tell anyone what to believe in or what to do, nor do I want to....I can only share my own observations on people who have mastered being balanced, spiritual and happy....without any guru's help.

This is a forum and we can all voice our own beliefs on many different subjects. People will make up their own minds on what is right for them. If gurus make a person feel complete, that's great. I have offered my take on them. We all have choices on what we do with our life, some of us like to do it on our own without any help from a guru. You have that right and so do I. Don't take it so personal.
Cheers.

@Linda: thanks - that post clears up a lot, and I am glad we are not at each others throats over this.

I try to take nothing personally, sometimes there is enough doubt and I check.

I don't have a guru in real waking life either. I met a few inspiring people, but never on a repetitive basis. What I have done is read some books that serendipity/synchronicity has thrown my way at the correct moments - that has had the effect of wakening me up to knowledge (a bit like remembering). It's a weird process, I read some words or a concept, and it all seems to be in my head like I had learned all this before. That is why it has been so easy for me to accept it.

I agree with all the potential pitfalls that you mention in relation to gurus. (BTW I am certainly not a guru!)

Maybe its because I am a wanderer? I doubted it for a few years, I'm pretty much certain of it now.

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Thanks everyone for continuing this discussion and clearing the air. We all have a roll to play both in life and on this forum it seems.

It seems Linda plays the role of security guard chasing away smurfs and intruders and making sure we are safe and not to fall down the wrong rabbit hole. Thanks for that BTW.

Anchor, I do feel that many of the things that you discuss resonates to where I am also. I enjoy Sanat 's posts and website as it feels right to me.

However that doesn't mean it is right, it just seems to help bring me forward so to speak. For someone else it may interpreting the bible that helps. I do think that there are many truths in the bible but it needs to be read from a metaphoric angle, than literal at times.

We all have different crutches to help us along. That is fine as far as I am concerned because we are all heading in the same direction, just different back roads.

@anchor,

It sounds like we are married to similar people. My wife is definately a wanderer and warrior. She takes no crap from no one (like Linda) yet she is very a very spiritual being. She can meditate with ease and has had many intutitive dreams. She seems to just know a lot of things that I am just learning.

Her response is "if I had told you that, you probably wouldn't have believed me". She seems to know about free will, even though she never mentions it.

She definately keeps me grounded.

Probably the reason I do like the RA material, LoO research is that it gives an outline of our history and what is likely to come in the future.
Yet at the same time it says that you don't have to follow or even know about RA for good things to happen to you.

The message I take out of it is to be a good person to others, release the ego, enjoy and appreciate life / nature and to look inwardly for the answers.

I am sure that people on this forum would all agree with doing the same, yet have no doubt reached the same conclusions from different sources.

This thread is a perfect example of how the forum will grow from strength to strength. Misunderstandings and opinionated beliefs can be viewed and interpreted in a respectable manner that will help us all discover or ascertain through observation all spectrum's of validating ideas.

Now I have always wonder the ambiguous meaning of the word 'distortion' Ra frequently uses. It could be interpreted as many translations. The Dictionary would define the word as to misrepresent or to give a false or misleading account of. However in Ra's context the meaning seems quite the opposite. For example the first and primal 'distortion' of the law of one is Freewill.

Anchor or anyone care to interpret what their meaning of the word 'distortion' is that Ra suggests.

Reunite,

I had to do some homework to answer this one! Interesting question (I love questions!)

Ra uses the word in many different contexts, but there is a similarity and an underlying concept which if I can define it, is the answer to your question.

As you stated, the first distortion is indeed free will and from that all other distortion comes.

When you see a sentence from Ra, that uses "distortion" there is always some form of free-will intent behind that which is being described or referenced and therefore some kind of free will manifestation that is important to the meaning. To be a distortion, there has to be something to distort. That can be pure infinite intelligent energy (love) - unmanifest (undistorted), or something already manifest out of that which is changing (distorting) as the result of free-will/intent.

I hope I didn't garble this to badly.

I think this will stand to testing against many examples:
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=distortion&search_type=any&ss=1

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I think that sounds reasonable, Anchor. It seems that from RA's perspective anything that is not totally returned to Oneness with Creator is a "distortion" of the One Creator. That means that the whole of Creation is a "distortion". Only pure unmanifested Intelligent infinity is not a "distortion". RA has a very subtle sense of humor which demonstrates a great distance to the "human drama" of life/death. He uses many terms that might seem particular to us. Like when he refers to earth changes and cataclysms simply as "disturbances". Personally I find this very refreshing. Whether you "believe in" the RA material or not, it certainly offers a perspective that is very unique and interesting.

Thanks Anchor and Sanat for your responses, they make a lot of sense. Re-reading the Ra material with your explanations does give it a further distortion...lol