Possible false flag event...swine flu

Gabriel wrote:

Love transcends all things.

Yes, it certainly does sweet Gabe :love-061:

this piece is the part i feel ookie about...
i do not like the sales pitch...

micjer wrote:

8.) For protecting against the second coming it was presented to me by a specific doctor with military connections to highly suggest people to begin taking a therapeutic product called "Ultimate Defense" by Perfect Solutions.

but totally support this piece

micjer wrote:

...... but nature's genius always has the upper hand.

i say start your colloidial silver NOW, so that your system can
fight off virus as well as chemtrail crap and other germs/molds/fungus

you don't need to buy it: drop (pure) silver in your clean water
(why not consider treating your water "a la emoto") and always
have it available - i use a glass jar with lid so i can transport &
keep with me when driving, etc - there is a plus: people will ask
what that is in your water, then you can gently explain... it may
help someone else wake up

ok..yell
i was making a joke because i think to laugh is the best way to clear negitive stuff..
and wow..he did catch something ..didn't he..
so there


i do not and will not conform to any pre thought of behavior
i will only be true to my self
honest and straight forward and no kiss ass crap
so if that is offensive..i am sorry for hurt feelings
but i have no plans to be any different
this is said with no heat whatsoever..
just a statement

and i held myself back from saying the intended joke
was not funny, because i did not want to offend you, otter.....
but i felt it so and was glad someone else said it
no offense, nothing personal, cuz you know i luvs ya
and i know you meant no harm

ah Hippie
i don't take offence at opinions...your's or tom's
what is the difference in you asking what mean spirit got into him and me asking if he caught something???

it's the same question but from different angles...and no offence in either...just a concern for a friend

i truly feel if you have a thin skin or are easily offended you shouldn't be typing on any forum
but hey..that is just my opinion..
and sometimes we get too sensitive to opinions and just need a time away
none of us have achieved perfection yet..
and in my not so humble opinion..lol
i think when we do achieve perfection we go POOF and are someplace else..

sky otter wrote:

none of us have achieved perfection yet..

WHAAAT!!..... Just when I thought I'd made it.

Ah well! Back to the drawing board.

WineHippie wrote:

you don't need to buy it: drop (pure) silver in your clean water
(why not consider treating your water "a la emoto") and always
have it available - i use a glass jar with lid so i can transport &
keep with me when driving, etc - there is a plus: people will ask
what that is in your water, then you can gently explain... it may
help someone else wake up

Should we be using distilled water ?

sky otter wrote:

ah Hippie
i don't take offence at opinions...your's or tom's
what is the difference in you asking what mean spirit got into him and me asking if he caught something???

it's the same question but from different angles...and no offence in either...just a concern for a friend

i truly feel if you have a thin skin or are easily offended you shouldn't be typing on any forum
but hey..that is just my opinion..
and sometimes we get too sensitive to opinions and just need a time away
none of us have achieved perfection yet..
and in my not so humble opinion..lol
i think when we do achieve perfection we go POOF and are someplace else..

I believe that having opinions and taking jabs are 2 different things.

I agree that nobody is perfect, nobody has all the answers and nobody has the right to tell someone how to behave..... unless it appeared as if they came across as insensitive.

We all have different personalities and ways of expression and some are bold and some are sensitive. Nobody is better than the other. We should not feel as if we are being attacked, and if we do, then we should always speak up to clear the air immediately.

My opinion about how to show concern for a friend, especially if that person has always come from a place of love and respect is to be loving, supportive and without making any jokes that may hurt.

We can state our opinions and mine is that if you are in fact sensitive or have a 'thin' skin, you still have the right to be on any forum you choose to and you don't need any 'time away' unless you choose to.

We are here on Earth to have the human experience and to evolve spiritually and to feel and know the importance of unconditional love for all and to not ever worry about going POOF'. We are eternal beings.

We should live in the here and now and always show compassion for all.
I have been guilty of many things in the past, but finally learned (the hard way) that once you can look in the mirror, be honest with yourself, admit your mistakes and then forgive yourself,......well then, many doors will open up for you.

We have a great group of highly evolved souls here and everyone of you are very special and I respect all of you. We must always support each other and continue to be honest with each other.

The TRUTH will set us free and FAITH will guide us.

That is my humble opinion.

pilgrim wrote:

sky otter wrote:

none of us have achieved perfection yet..

WHAAAT!!..... Just when I thought I'd made it.

Ah well! Back to the drawing board.

Hey there Lover, you better not!
I love you just the way you are! :love-061:

Northern Boy wrote:

WineHippie wrote:

you don't need to buy it: drop (pure) silver in your clean water
(why not consider treating your water "a la emoto") and always
have it available - i use a glass jar with lid so i can transport &
keep with me when driving, etc - there is a plus: people will ask
what that is in your water, then you can gently explain... it may
help someone else wake up

Should we be using distilled water ?

not necessarily, NB
spring water, well water, filtered water but hopefully water with no chlorine
or fluoride.... whatever your water is, watch Dr Emoto's water vid....
i believe having emoto-ized water, PLUS the silver is a great combo...
even if turns out not true, i believe i now, so is placebo effect for me

hey, whatever works, right?

linda
i only want to say this about that..
it was not a jab ..it was a mode of expression..
yes different from sugary..but not mean

that is where we have lengthy discussions when we are all really on the same page..
our modes of expression
and
our modes of definition in hearing and reading a mode of expression different than
what we subscribe too


and i do most especially respect everyone here..or i wouldn't bother to be here
we learn so much form each other
oh and one more thing before i drop it totally

when i said we go poof..i did not mean we cease to be..only we go to whatever is next

Linda wrote:

pilgrim wrote:

sky otter wrote:

none of us have achieved perfection yet..

WHAAAT!!..... Just when I thought I'd made it.

Ah well! Back to the drawing board.

Hey there Lover, you better not!
I love you just the way you are! :love-061:

but Linda......
you ARE the drawing board!
(settle down, you two......)

Swine Flu Kills Obese People: Is U.S. Primed for a Pandemic Catastrophe?

http://www.naturalnews.com/026602_pandemic_swine_flu_health.html


NaturalNews) The fact that nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults are clinically obese is worrisome for a whole new reason: Evidence emerging from a hospital in Michigan (and published by the CDC) appears to indicate that obese patients may be very easily killed by swine flu.

In the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's report on death and disease, researchers documented the case of ten swine flu patients at a Michigan hospital who became so ill they were put on ventilators. Three of the patients ultimately died from the infection. The kicker? Nine of the ten were obese, and two of the three who died were severely obese.

As reported by Reuters, CDC virologist Dr. Tim Uyeki said, "What this suggests is that there can be severe complications associated with this virus infection, especially in severely obese patients."

Notably, five of the patients showed evidence of blood clots in their lungs, indicating severe cellular trauma in the lungs. Nine of the patients suffered from multiple organ failure, and six experienced kidney failure.



What it means for the U.S. population
These findings are especially worrisome because nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults are now clinically obese. Combined with widespread vitamin D deficiency, nutritional deficiencies and pharmaceutically-induced immune suppression, the U.S. population is more vulnerable to a pandemic right now than any other population in the history of the world.....(con't)

mic, see my post, this thread, middle of page four

ok, anyone see anything curious about this little piece of news?

Baxter are nothing if not prepared for this 'swine flu' outbreak if the
wording in this 2008 US patent application is anything to go by:

"In particular preferred embodiments the composition or
vaccine comprises more than one antigen.....such as
influenza A and influenza B in particular selected from of one
or more of the human H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, H5N1, H7N7, H1N2,
H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H10N7 subtypes, of the pig flu H1N1,
H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2 subtypes, of the dog or horse flu H7N7,
H3N8 subtypes or of the avian H5N1, H7N2, H1N7, H7N3,
H13N6, H5N9, H11N6, H3N8, H9N2, H5N2, H4N8, H10N7, H2N2,
H8N4, H14N5, H6N5, H12N5 subtypes."

Baxter BigPharma got patent for vaccine, ummmmm, a YEAR ago?

Baxter Files Swine Flu Vaccine Patent a Year Ahead of Outbreak --US20090060950A1 to Baxter International filed 28th August 2008

Oh there is no doubt this was preplanned years ago and targeting groups they want out. Eugenics comes to mind

Looks kind of like they are following instructions, since they were so prophetic to see this a year earlier. Damn I wish I were that prophetic, like those big multi-national corporations, who are so warm and fuzzy.

Eugenics is it Mic, you nailed it.

Legal Immunity Set for Swine Flu Vaccine Makers

Northern Boy you called this somewhere. Guess what. Immunity it is.

Quote :

The last time the government embarked on a major vaccine campaign against a new swine flu, thousands filed claims contending they suffered side effects from the shots. This time, the government has already taken steps to head that off.

vaccine: Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, government health officials said Friday.

Since the 1980s, the government has protected vaccine makers against lawsuits over the use of childhood vaccines. Instead, a federal court handles claims and decides who will be paid from a special fund.

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/09_Health/090720.vaccine.immunity.html

Thanks All i did was research some of Bush`s executive orders he signed before leaving office One of them was immunity from prosecution should the drugs they produce in the event of a pandemic cause side effects or death .

So ask yourself this if these vaccines can not be guaranteed safe for the general public then they already know that some are going to die if they take the vaccine . So by now making it mandatory they want to inflect as much as possible the number of casualties this will cause .

If they know the vaccine will kill you and the virus will to whats to stop them from putting the virus in the vaccine again like last spring . There has to be a way out of the madness . Tell them you will take your chances with the virus pass on the shot . If both may kill you shouldn`t you chose which way ?

If they legally cannot guarantee they safety of the vaccine then they can not force you to take the shot . it would be Jonestown all over again on a massive scale . Go into a police station and tell them your going to drink a glass of deadly acid they will try and stop you right.......... But line up and take a needle that may kill you and its ok

Notice it says Vaccine makers and Federal officials it leaves the health workers and law enforcment out of the equation this is the key to stopping this they are left wide open to law suits while the ones in charge walk away scott free point this out to them. Watch as this takes hold and you are going to see many refuse to do it

Here`s another one to think of Obama is talking about a form of socialized medicne . Watch out if in order to qualify for it you must take all government ordered vaccines . If you opt out of taking the vaccine your government health care ends

Jane Burgermeister on the Planned WHO H1N1 Planned Genocide, with Dr. Carley



part 1 of 8

Awesome information!

Australia to begin first human test of swine flu vaccine



(CNN) -- The first human trials of a swine flu vaccine are expected to start in Australia Wednesday, as the World Health Organization confirmed that more than 700 people had died from the virus worldwide.
Melbourne-based company CSL Ltd. plans to test a vaccine for the H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, on 240 volunteers, a company representative said.

The test will be conducted on healthy adults between the ages of 18-64. Participants will receive two shots three weeks apart and will undergo blood tests to determine if they are generating an appropriate immune response to the virus, the company said.

"We appreciate that new influenza strains like the 'swine flu' can surprise us with properties that mean they might require higher dosing and two injections rather than one to provoke the desired level of immune response in humans," said Dr. Russell Basser, global director of clinical development for CSL.
The World Health Organization revealed Tuesday that more than 700 people had died after contracting the virus, 260 more than the latest death toll, released July 6. The jump in the death toll is due simply to the two-week gap in reporting cases, a WHO spokeswoman explained.

The H1N1 virus has spread around the world with unprecedented speed, according to the WHO. Past influenza viruses have needed more than six months to spread as widely as the current H1N1 virus has spread in less than six weeks, it said.

Because there are so many cases emerging so quickly, the WHO changed its reporting guidelines last week. It decided to stop giving a tally of cases and focus instead on identifying unusual patterns. The counting of all cases is no longer essential because it is exhausting countries' resources, the organization said Monday, commenting on the policy change.

While the virus is spreading quickly, the WHO offered some reassurance to those concerned about the disease. It said the virus has so far been characterized by mild symptoms in most patients, who usually recover -- even without medical treatment -- within a week of developing symptoms.

Meanwhile, a group of British children and teachers quarantined for almost one week in a Beijing hotel because of swine flu fears have been allowed to leave their hotel.

A spokesman from Britain's Foreign Office could not confirm the number of children and teachers released from quarantine, but said they were among a group of 111 that was sequestered in a Beijing hotel six days ago.

The students and teachers came from various schools in Britain and were all traveling to China together as members of the same British school association, the Specialist Schools and Academies Trust.

Twelve children were hospitalized and diagnosed with the H1N1 virus, commonly known as swine flu. One child is in the hospital awaiting test results to confirm the virus, the Foreign Office said.

The group released from quarantine Tuesday will now be moved to a different hotel, the Foreign Office said. The second group is due to be released from quarantine Wednesday, the Foreign Office said.

WHO declared H1N1 a global pandemic on June 11. More than 120 countries have reported cases of human infection since the virus was first identified in Mexico in April. There are more than 98,000 documented cases worldwide

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/07/21/australia.swine.flu.vaccine/index.html

Any one wishing to contact this man please do so here is his E`mail addy
kwilson@ohri.ca


BY SHARON KIRKEY, CANWEST NEWS SERVICEJULY 20, 2009


OTTAWA — A leading public health expert is calling on Canada to create a no-fault compensation program for people who may be harmed by a swine flu vaccine that millions of Canadians will be urged by the government to get this fall.

Kumanan Wilson, Canada research chair in public health at the University of Ottawa, said in an interview with Canwest News Service that children and adults could be exposed to an incompletely tested vaccine and that a compensation scheme is needed to encourage the public to buy into any mass immunization program.

When the World Health Organization last month proclaimed swine flu the first pandemic since 1968, Canada’s chief public health officer, David Butler-Jones, said everyone should get the new flu shot when it becomes available.

“The more people that have immunity, the easier it is to stop,” he said.

But Canwest News Service has learned that, unlike the United States, the Public Health Agency of Canada has no plans to compensate people who may be injured by an H1N1 vaccine.

A vaccine injury program would give people who suffer an adverse reaction faster access to compensation without having to go through the legal system. Quebec is the only jurisdiction in Canada that has a non-fault compensation program.

Public Health Agency of Canada officials acknowledged last week there won’t be time for a swine flu vaccine to go through standard safety testing before immunizations begin in the fall. The first doses are expected to be available in three to four months. Officials said they are working with regulators on ways to reduce any time required for getting the vaccine out. Canada could invoke emergency provisions to get the vaccine out quicker, before all the data from human trials that test safety are complete.

That happened in 1976, when an outbreak of swine flu at the Fort Dix army base in New Jersey spawned a nationwide emergency vaccination program. Manufacturers wanted legal protection against vaccine-related injury claims, so Congress enacted legislation allowing people to sue the federal government. About 45 million Americans were vaccinated. Reports soon emerged of unusually high rates of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a rare, neurological disorder that can cause temporary paralysis. More than 5,000 people sued for vaccine-related injuries, resulting in payouts totalling $73 million. In the 1980s, the U.S. introduced no-fault compensation for all vaccines.

“I’m not saying we shouldn’t roll out this vaccine (against H1N1 influenza),” said Wilson, an expert in pandemic planning.

“I don’t know how confident we will be in its efficacy and safety at the outset, but I don’t think we’ll have any choice but to roll it out, because, at this point, the only way to control the spread is going to be a vaccine.”

But “there are going to be concerns about people not wanting to take the vaccine, health-care workers in particular,” he said.

“We have been arguing that it needs to be complemented with a no-fault compensation program, just like in 1976, and we need to develop systems to pick up these adverse events.”

He and other experts say the current system for monitoring for serious or unexpected reactions is inadequate. The government has two systems in place: The first is a mostly voluntary reporting one. The second involves a network of 12 children’s hospitals across Canada, where nurses and investigators regularly review admission records, looking for serious events in children who had recently been immunized, “so all seizure kids are looked at, and a whole bunch of other ones,” said Dr. Noni MacDonald, a leader in pediatric infectious diseases at Dalhousie University in Halifax.

“I think most of us are pretty comfortable that we would probably pick up serious adverse events requiring hospitalization in the pediatric age group,” MacDonald said. “But we’re only in the process of setting up a similar kind of active surveillance system for adults.”

Under a compensation program, claims would serve as an early signal of a possible problem with the swine flu vaccine, Wilson said.

Meanwhile, some First Nations leaders argued Monday that aboriginal people should be a top priority for swine flu immunization when a vaccine is ready.

As the Assembly of First Nations meets in Calgary this week to elect a new national chief, the organization is also expected to turn its attention to H1N1 influenza and preparing for the fall flu season.

“There has to be some priority given to our First Nations people (for vaccination),” said Angus Toulouse, Ontario regional chief for the Assembly of First Nations.

“There’s data one could use to say First Nations are more at risk.”

Glen Sanderson, a policy analyst with the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs, said a number of risk factors in some remote communities have likely contributed to the quick spread of H1N1, including crowded housing conditions.

Aboriginal populations also have higher rates of chronic diseases such as diabetes and obesity, which may be risk factors for developing serious cases of H1N1.

“The rates of H1N1 are disproportionately high (in some remote communities),” said Sanderson. “It’s the living conditions.”

Canadian scientists were the first to report a syndrome — oculorespiratory syndrome — that was linked to one batch of seasonal flu vaccine in British Columbia in 2000.

The syndrome causes red eyes, respiratory distress, throat tightness and facial swelling. A nasal flu vaccine licensed in Switzerland in October 2000 was linked with a significantly increased risk of Bell’s palsy, one-sided paralysis of facial muscles.

Normally, about one person in 100,000 a year develops Guillain-Barre syndrome. An Ontario study estimated that influenza vaccination increases the risk of developing the syndrome by 45 per cent, which translates into about one additional case per million people vaccinated. But other studies haven’t shown a similar association.

As of July 15, a total of 10,156 laboratory-confirmed cases of pandemic H1N1, including 1,115 hospitalizations and 45 deaths, had been reported in Canada.

A new study of the outbreak of swine flu at a private school in Nova Scotia in April — the first cases of human-to-human infection in Canada — found that, unlike regular season flu, only 59 per cent had a fever. Common symptoms included cough, headache, sore throat and nasal congestion.

The study, published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, showed that vaccination with the regular seasonal flu shot didn’t protect the vaccinated kids from swine flu, and that symptoms sent 80 per cent of those infected to the campus infirmary.

With files from Calgary Herald

skirkey@canwest.com

First Trials of Swine Flu Vaccine Begin in Australia

July 22 (Bloomberg) -- Nurse Luiza Duszynski flicks her syringe, squeezes a few drops of clear liquid from the needle and pushes it into Tara Seaton’s arm. With that, she became one of the world’s first recipients of a vaccine for swine flu.

Seaton is among the 240 healthy adult volunteers in Australia who CSL Ltd. began injecting today with its experimental vaccine against H1N1, the new virus strain that sparked the first influenza pandemic in 41 years.

“It was fine, I didn’t even feel it,” Seaton, a 28-year- old post-office assistant, said from the Royal Adelaide Hospital, where she received the shot.

CSL is testing the vaccine over the next seven weeks as it prepares to fill orders from Australia, the U.S. and Singapore. The World Health Organization and Melbourne-based CSL’s larger rivals such as Sanofi-Aventis SA will be watching the test to help determine whether one or two shots are needed to protect people and how many doses can be produced.

“The fundamental data that we and others around the world are interested in are the immune response to the first and second dose,” Andrew Cuthbertson, CSL’s chief scientific officer, told reporters in Adelaide. The test results will also show the effects of different doses, he said.

Volunteers are required to keep a diary for six months and record any signs and symptoms, including nausea, increased temperature and swelling around the injection area, Seaton said.



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aadm7_AYSmKo


What is wrong with people. Or is this one a plesebo?

key words here are:

healthy adult volunteers