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this is the time of scorpio and when scerets are made and screts are revealed...this is a big one

Vanished Persian army said found in desert
50,000 soldiers believed buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C.

By Rossella Lorenzi

updated 11:11 a.m. ET, Mon., Nov . 9, 2009
The remains of a mighty Persian army said to have drowned in the sands of the western Egyptian desert 2,500 years ago might have been finally located, solving one of archaeology's biggest outstanding mysteries, according to Italian archaeologists.
Bronze weapons, a silver bracelet, an earring and hundreds of human bones found in the vast desolate wilderness of the Sahara desert have raised hopes of finally finding the lost army — 50,000 strong — of Persian King Cambyses II, buried by a cataclysmic sandstorm in 525 B.C.

"We have found the first archaeological evidence of a story reported by the Greek historian Herodotus," Dario Del Bufalo, a member of the expedition from the University of Lecce, told Discovery News.

According to Herodotus (484-425 B.C.), Cambyses, the son of Cyrus the Great, sent 50,000 soldiers from Thebes to attack the Oasis of Siwa and destroy the oracle at the Temple of Amun. Alexander the Great had famously sought legitimization of his rule from the oracle of Amun in 332 B.C., but according to legend, the oracle would have predicted the death of Cambyses.

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Hundreds of bleached bones and skulls found in the desolate wilderness of the Sahara desert may be the remains of the long lost Cambyses' army, according to Italian researchers.
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After walking for seven days in the desert, the army got to an "oasis," which historians believe was El-Kharga. After they left, they were never seen again.

"A wind arose from the south, strong and deadly, bringing with it vast columns of whirling sand, which entirely covered up the troops and caused them wholly to disappear," wrote Herodotus.

As no trace of the hapless warriors has ever be found, scholars began to dismiss the story as a fanciful tale.

Now, two top Italian archaeologists claim to have found striking evidence that the Persian army was indeed swallowed in a sandstorm. Twin brothers Angelo and Alfredo Castiglioni are already famous for their discovery 20 years ago of the ancient Egyptian "city of gold" Berenike Panchrysos.

Presented recently at the archaeological film festival of Rovereto, the discovery is the result of 13 years of research and five expeditions to the desert.

"It all started in 1996, during an expedition aimed at investigating the presence of iron meteorites near Bahrin, one small oasis not far from Siwa," Alfredo Castiglioni, director of the Eastern Desert Research Center (CeRDO)in Varese, told Discovery News.

While working in the area, the researchers noticed a half-buried pot and some human remains. Then the brothers spotted something really intriguing — what could have been a natural shelter.

It was a rock about 114.8 feet long, 5.9 feet in height and 9.8 feet deep. Such natural formations occur in the desert, but this large rock was the only one in a large area.

"Its size and shape made it the perfect refuge in a sandstorm," Castiglioni said.

Right there, the metal detector of Egyptian geologist Aly Barakat of Cairo University located relics of ancient warfare: a bronze dagger and several arrow tips.

"We are talking of small items, but they are extremely important as they are the first Achaemenid objects, thus dating to Cambyses' time, which have emerged from the desert sands in a location quite close to Siwa," Castiglioni said.

About a quarter mile from the natural shelter, the Castiglioni team found a silver bracelet, an earring and few spheres which were likely part of a necklace.

"An analysis of the earring, based on photographs, indicate that it certainly dates to the Achaemenid period. Both the earring and the spheres appear to be made of silver. Indeed a very similar earring, dating to the fifth century B.C., has been found in a dig in Turkey," Andrea Cagnetti, a leading expert of ancient jewelry, told Discovery News.

In the following years, the Castiglioni brothers studied ancient maps and came to the conclusion that Cambyses' army did not take the widely believed caravan route via the Dakhla Oasis and Farafra Oasis.

"Since the 19th century, many archaeologists and explorers have searched for the lost army along that route. They found nothing. We hypothesized a different itinerary, coming from south. Indeed we found that such a route already existed in the 18th Dynasty," Castiglioni said.

According to Castiglioni, from El Kargha the army took a westerly route to Gilf El Kebir, passing through the Wadi Abd el Melik, then headed north toward Siwa.

"This route had the advantage of taking the enemy aback. Moreover, the army could march undisturbed. On the contrary, since the oasis on the other route were controlled by the Egyptians, the army would have had to fight at each oasis," Castiglioni said.

To test their hypothesis, the Castiglioni brothers did geological surveys along that alternative route. They found desiccated water sources and artificial wells made of hundreds of water pots buried in the sand. Such water sources could have made a march in the desert possible.

"Termoluminescence has dated the pottery to 2,500 years ago, which is in line with Cambyses' time," Castiglioni said.

In their last expedition in 2002, the Castiglioni brothers returned to the location of their initial discovery. Right there, some 62 miles south of Siwa, ancient maps had erroneously located the temple of Amun.

The soldiers believed they had reached their destination, but instead they found the khamsin -- the hot, strong, unpredictable southeasterly wind that blows from the Sahara desert over Egypt.

"Some soldiers found refuge under that natural shelter, other dispersed in various directions. Some might have reached the lake of Sitra, thus surviving," Castiglioni said.

At the end of their expedition, the team decided to investigate Bedouin stories about thousands of white bones that would have emerged decades ago during particular wind conditions in a nearby area.

Indeed, they found a mass grave with hundreds of bleached bones and skulls.

"We learned that the remains had been exposed by tomb robbers and that a beautiful sword which was found among the bones was sold to American tourists," Castiglioni said.

Among the bones, a number of Persian arrow heads and a horse bit, identical to one appearing in a depiction of an ancient Persian horse, emerged.

"In the desolate wilderness of the desert, we have found the most precise location where the tragedy occurred," Del Bufalo said.
The team communicated their finding to the Geological Survey of Egypt and gave the recovered objects to the Egyptian authorities.

"We never heard back. I'm sure that the lost army is buried somewhere around the area we surveyed, perhaps under 16.4 feet of sand."

Piero Pruneti, editor of Archeologia Viva, Italy's most important archaeology magazine, is impressed by the team's work.

"Judging from their documentary, their hypothesis of an alternative route is very plausible," Prunetic told Discovery News. "Indeed, the Castiglioni's expeditions are all based on a careful study of the landscape...An in-depth exploration of the area is certainly needed!"


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33791672/ns/technology_and_science-science

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Great article. Is it really a coincidence that many of life mysteries are being solved at this time in history?

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micjer wrote:
Great article. Is it really a coincidence that many of life mysteries are being solved at this time in history?

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But are they?
Confusion, distraction and deception has been the name of the game so far.
Has anything changed?

Ok., I'm a cynical ol' fart!! party-drunkparty-dru
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Hey Pilgrim..
i'm a fellow cynic
but sometimes you just have to read it and then move on...
i mean come on..how do you carbon date bleached bones????
but
it WAS interesting
lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Vanished Persian army said found in desert   Vanished Persian army said found in desert Icon_minitimeMon Nov 09, 2009 5:24 pm

Sky, they can carbon date bones., that's not the point.
I mean 50,000 dying in a sand storm!! Hmm!?
It really doesn't matter, after all the fodder they have fed us over the years.
We have got to start making our own true history from now onwards!
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They said that there would be lots of new "discoveries".

There is a plan in place. We can't be gullible and believe everything that we read.
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ah geze you guys...
i was only posting cause i thought it was interesting how new finds are "in their words"
proving old myths ans such...
i was just reading where they found a cup/bowl that said christ the magician..and they were dating it
from 200BC to 100AD...
ahhhhhhhhh didn't AD start with christ????
lol!

of course the thing we ALL need most is discernment and being cynical
but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy the new stories
does it????

I dunno
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lol!

ok..if this doesn't get a giggle otta ya..well what can i say....


Earliest reference describes Christ as 'magician'
Bowl dated between late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D.
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A bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., is engraved with what may be the world's first known reference to Christ. The engraving reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26972493/ns/technology_and_science-science/
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PostSubject: Re: Vanished Persian army said found in desert   Vanished Persian army said found in desert Icon_minitimeTue Nov 10, 2009 11:25 am

sky otter wrote:
lol!

ok..if this doesn't get a giggle otta ya..well what can i say....


Earliest reference describes Christ as 'magician'
Bowl dated between late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D.
Vanished Persian army said found in desert Jesus-10

A bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., is engraved with what may be the world's first known reference to Christ. The engraving reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26972493/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Yes I think he is a magician as I have come to know him, but the title of "magician" he would never use in my opinion. Not that there is anything inherently wrong or bad with that term, there is not, but the Y'shua I know would "shy away" from titles. The greatest teacher that ever lived was many things and humility is one of his strongest suits. That title of magician is used by others for him trying to place him in a certain group and to consider his miracles as tricks or magic instead of "normal human traits" that both you and I have in abundance.

Never the less, your link was good reading, thank you for posting it. Also that "magic" person is inside of all of us as our higher self as I am sure you know, so the term "magician" can also be a compliment of great spiritual accomplishment.
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Jesus was rumoured to have spent time with the Essenes so it would not be unheard of for some to interpret that as being a magician. (http://www.essenespirit.com/who.html)

Carbon dating is notorious for inaccuracies from unknown events that can alter it's effects. I wouldn't totally rule out it's reference due to one carbon dating result.

Sandstorms are very lethal especially out in the open, unprepared. I've witnessed one from inside a building and even with dustgards on the windows it can suck the oxygen out of the air. I can't imagine what it would be like to be out in the open with no cover and unprepared not to mention the confusion of the people and animals. However, I can't see that killing everyone. If this were a campaign, a more likely scenario would be that bedouins may have poisoned the water supply. This is known to be a common tactic throughout history.

Great article, I'm glad they finally released some information on the find. Considering the location of where it was discovered I'm not surprised they would keep it out of the mainstream not wanting a flurry of curiosity seekers in the area. (That's all I'm going to say on that subject).
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i am having trouble reading your posts when i look at your avatar..it cracks me up.. lol!

the sand storm sounds scary..glad you were inside..
and
ya know it's not nice to tease us like that.....
(That's all I'm going to say on that subject).

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Sky I love the new picture, your avatar.
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Sky,

It's my favorite character from my favorite show and he cracks me up too! I needed something wacky, I'll look for a new one!

All I will say is joint military operations. There are you happy now my computer will probably crash!
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no no no

don't change it..it's great...
but when i read your stuff and then look at the avatar..i just crack up
it's great...

only change it if you really want to
but
be sure to save this one
it's great
lol!

and your computer will not crash..put a crystal beside it or on it..
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Okay, he stays for awhile... Vanished Persian army said found in desert Lol

I always have one by it to absorb the radiation (a black one of course).
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L
put a clear quartz with it...

i was trying to take a pic of this really neat one i have but dang
it just won't cooperate...sigh
maybe in the daylight
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Will this one do?

Vanished Persian army said found in desert Crystal

I used to have it near the computer but it didn't like being there.
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sunny
lightning..if it doesn't like it there..aaaumm, maybe you need a different one...

i took mine outside this morning and took it's picture...it's a wild little tough guy..

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i was in a rock shop a bit back and he was up on a top shelf and i ask if i could see it and how much
the lady laughed and said do you like it..
i said yeah..she handled me a piece of paper that was under him that said
free to the first person who thinks this is a neat rock...
hahahahah
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I've had my citrine geode there. I like your rock it has character. We have a shop like that here too with injured and unusual specimens they give away. I started with river rocks as a kid and graduated to minerals, gemstones and crystals. flower
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