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Subject: more gloom and doom. Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:30 am
hey m and all
if you are looking for bad stuff that is coming here's one for ya
camelot yesterday put up about Corona Mass Ejection or magnetic clouds the earth is "drifting " into that will knock out all the worlds electric stuff...anywhere from now into 2012
hummmmmmmmm maybe that dream i had last month about putting aluminmum foil all over the attic makes sense now.. hahahahahahah i really did have this dream maybe i should get some rolls and actually do it.. let's see square footage of the attic price of the biggest rolls of alum foil awwwwwwwwwwww price prohibitive..
if yoiu know anything about the infrastructure of the u.s. then you also know that it is old and breakingdown at a fast rate...the water and sewer and gas lines are all in need of urgent repair sooooooooooooooooooooooooo being polyanna-ish i will think of this failing of the electrical grid in a positive light a silver lining no more crap electronic games to keep kids sitting people will have to really speak to others in an eye to eye manner to solve porblems planes and other survellience won't be able to spy on anyone and wow..look at the jobs that will be created
yep before a new beginning..you need an ending...
it's all good
micjer Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:15 am
Hi S,
Doesn't that annoy you, trying to talk to kids now adays. They are constantly texting back and forth or playing vid games. Talk about mind control.
Interesting dream you had. That would be a lot of aluminum foil!
People are so dependent on electrical stuff. There is always a silver lining to everything.
Anchor Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:54 pm
Does anyone know the expected frequency of the RF created by a CME ?
From that you could work out the mesh size you need for a EMP shield - that way you would only need a cage, rather than a solid barrier.
The conductive foil plan would only work if it SURROUNDED the item to be protected, and is grounded. Also, the foil must be thick enough to conduct the expected induced electrical current without melting/burning/catching fire etc.
A..
sky otter Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:18 pm
Anchor... you're crackin me up here
i thought having a dream about rolling out alum foil in the attic was funny.. and then there you are giving us a formula on how to do a safe cage... like we had the math and the materials.. hahahahahahahahahah
i'm not worried...we have faced all kinds of crap this is just one more thing
years ago when i had to go into the mine (limestone/mushrooms growing..not coal) i was told ..supposedly as a joke that if there was a cave it to run to the center and just get conked cause running to the arch and safety and waiting for rescue (that wasn't coming) would just be make it harder....
when i read all this gloom and doom crap i have to laugh and wonder which is which.. :anisun:
micjer Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:54 am
sky otter Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:21 am
wow..turned on the last vid and heard the first minute or two and pow...the silver linging jumps out.. well maybe
but think on this for a minute our brains work on electrical current if there is a pulse thur the universe perhaps it will trigger our brains to be able to use all of the info we currently find it hard to access
maybe this is the next evolutionary step with or without a body??? who knows
just a thought
micjer Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:26 am
Morning Sky,
You've just nailed what I've been trying to say in my posting. The way to the Father (heaven) is through his son. (SUN)
Now watch the last minute of this vid and see if it has meaning.(you may have to double click on vid to get it to work)
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sky otter Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:57 pm
Hi M
that last vid won't work..says embedding disabled by request..
anyway..i'm glad i got what you were trying to say with just a minute of the other last vid..
i have to confess to not watching the rest.. i don't watch the posted vids ususally..i kinda like the written word better
but yeah something is closing in and fast today i am getting a big blank spot and trying to figure that out..sigh
micjer Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Fri May 15, 2009 10:42 am
How to protect your electronic equipment - very helpful!
Quote: The information to follow on building "Faraday cages" is timely indeed. A single atmospheric nuclear detonation releases enough electromagnetic pulse (EMP) to equal 100,000 volts per meter (V/m). A single detonation 200 to 400 miles over the center of the continental United States would fry every unprotected computer chip from coast to coast, and from the middle of Canada to the middle of Mexico. And we are now into Solar Cycle 23, with solar flares common and expected to continue until the first of next year. CME's are capable of extreme damage to modern computerized equipment! Sure, we have our windup BayGen radio's and spare lap top computers, but unless electronic equipment is protected from an electromagnetic pulse, they will be fried!
The copper mesh, like 1 inch chicken wire, worked well in large uses, like covering buildings, and it is still in use today: FEMA headquarters buildings are dome-shaped earth-bermed structures, and under the earth is a copper mesh that extends out from the base and is secured by grounding rods.
As an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) travels to earth, whether from a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) or a nuclear detonation in the atmosphere, it hits and runs along electrical power lines as well, building up voltage and amperage, which is what happened during the last solar storm a dozen years ago, blowing out transformers and leaving 6 million people in eastern Canada without power for weeks.
To prevent that problem, if you have a hard-wired generator, the wiring from the generator to the house should run in conduit that is grounded. The generator itself can have the frame grounded for added insurance, but that ground wire MUST be insulated and run to a different ground rod well away from the ground rod for building and conduit! See the article on EMP and various grounding techniques for electrical appliances, plus grounding metal sheds for generators.
"Electric fields travel in straight lines, unless bent by other fields. Theoretically, the bottom of a cage doesn’t need to be closed. If someone could offer me actual EMP test data that an open bottom is OK, I’d consider believing it. However, if you’re in an area of high ionization, the field could bend around. Complete enclosure is the best technical solution.
"Faraday cage material: Electric fields are best conducted by materials that conduct electric current the best – silver is #1 and copper is #2. Aluminum is ~60% of copper. Iron/steel is farther down the scale. Aluminum is a good poor man’s foil against EMP; double wrap it to be safe. I prefer copper foil." With radio's and smaller appliances, a Faraday cage can be built by using two cardboard boxes: one should fit tightly inside the other, and the item to be covered should itself fit reasonably well inside the smaller box. That is about the most work involved--finding the right size boxes! The outer box is then covered with aluminum foil or Mylar, as from a cheap "space blanket." A grounding wire is then taped to the foil. I then cover the foil with black 6 mil plastic, taped securely in place, to protect the foil from ripping. At the end of the ground wire I attach a cheap small alligator clip from Radio Shack. The item to be protected is placed inside the inner box, which acts as insulation from the outer box, and any EMP hitting the foil and is bled away by the ground wire.
Some medium sized electrical equipment can also easily fit into boxes covered with foil for EMP protection. My laptop computer, for example, fits easily into a Faraday box made from a box that held reams of paper: the entire lid is removable, allowing easy access to the laptop in its case, but is safely stored when not in use.
For larger items which cannot be boxed, such as living room TV sets, etc, I tape a Mylar space blanket to a piece of 6 mil black plastic sheet, using double-sticky tape every foot or so to make sure the Mylar stays in place (it is slippery). I leave a 2 inch edge of black plastic showing all around the space blanket, and while taping down the edges I put on a short lead of ground wire. When it appears that EMP or CME's are on the way, the blanket can be draped over the appliance, the alligator clip attached to a small, unobtrusive ground wire behind the cabinet, and any electromagnetic radiation will be diverted to the ground wire. Very cheap, simple, and once done, items can be "draped" for protection very quickly indeed. The "EMP Blankets" roll up for storage, but can be unrolled and thrown over a TV/VCR setup, a computer/monitor combo, etc. As EMP comes from altitude and is line of sight, it's OK that the bottom isn't covered, as the bottom of the units sit on non conductive wood.
The time to build Faraday cages or blankets is NOW, as when they are actually needed it will be far too late. Each box should be labeled on the ends and the top for the exact appliance they were built for, to eliminate any confusion when they must be protected in a hurry. Any electrical appliances not in use should be stored in the Faraday cage, where they will be kept clean, neat, in a known location, and protected against any sudden EMP surge.
sky otter Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Fri May 15, 2009 9:16 pm
yikes M
you mean the copper pryamid shape above my computer isn't enough??
i remembered readin something about faraday boxes so i did a goggle on them...ah ha all kinds of info..
now i am going to insist that hubby add some more lightening rods on the house.. maybe i won't have to buy all that alum foil to cover the attic after all...hahahahah
copper is very expensive right now..sooooooooo whatta ya think of copper pennies and some tape...lol..sorry i couldn't help that one
WineHippie Contributor
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Sat May 16, 2009 2:56 pm
hey, sky, i have $10 worth of pennies, all rolled, in my car, and haven't been able to use'em anywhere....
want them?
sky otter Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Sat May 16, 2009 3:38 pm
hippie hey thanks for the offer...but you may need 'em...hahahahahahahahah
i have a penny collection going back into the 1800's..i just might put 'em in the attic with some copper wire i had for making necklaces hahahahahah
i've been after hubby to do more lightening rods but since the price of scrap exploided a few months ago people have been stealing anything that they even think is copper..so finding any really old rods is next to impossible..
ahhh i just had a thought..an big unbrella with the pennies wired on it..that way if the nasty magnetic wave comes i can use that.. hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm we all gotta be prepared ya know.
but i surely do appreciate your offer, hippie..
micjer Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:27 pm
Anchor Senior Member
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Subject: Re: more gloom and doom. Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:00 pm
Keep them. They are probably worth more for thier copper than the face value of the coins!