Not pleasant reading, but it's better than false hope.
Linda Senior Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:06 am
Well, it certainly looks like they have everybody in place for the 'new change'. Why am I not surprised?
Sanat Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:31 am
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Many bankers are being arrested as the battle to take down the banksters reaches its final phase
Reports from reliable sources are saying that senior bankers are being arrested in droves. Some sources also say the bankers are trying to blackmail their way into being protected by threatening to spread a very toxic form of bird flu. They just cannot imagine giving up their dollar printing machine. However, both President Obama and UK Prime Minister Brown have now publicly promised to take on the banksters. The situation is coming to a head.
Once the banksters surrender we can expect very dramatic changes for the better in the world situation.
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:32 am
Obama & Brown publicly stating something and actually doing something are two different things. It is just another diversionary tactic. Okay so they go through the procedure of investigating a few banksters and give it great publicity., but these are the 'sacrificial lambs' they are willing to use in order to illustrate how the banking systems needs more regulations under a global regulatory body, i,e world bank. The next excuse to squander billions will be the pensions and the illusive derivatives sectors.
As far as Benjamin Fulford is concerned...........still waiting on those ninjas of his!!
Sanat Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:03 am
Well, this is a case of Fulford's opinion based on his info from different sources inside the powerstructure againts your opinion, is it not? You seem very certain in your assessment, so perhaps you could disclose your sources? I do not "agree" with Fulford necessarily, I just think it's best to gather as much perspectives as possible instead of being dead certain about stuff I in reality are in no position to really know much about (except what different sources like Fulford and others reveal).
pilgrim Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:15 am
I totally agree with you Sanat, it is only my opinion. Fulfords credibility is questionable, also in my opinion and indeed my assessment is based on different perspectives, thereby allowing me to formulate an informed opinion given my limited intelligence and resources. The post to which you have replied is only my belief and posted here to be challenged and debated. Until it can be shown to the contrary, then it will remain my 'informed' opinion.
Tom. :winkb:
Sanat Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:01 pm
yea yea, everyone that has an "opinion" necessarily has an "informed opinion" as opinions does not inform themselves. hehe. The question was; who/what in-formed your opinions since you seem so convinced about them? Any particular sources you would care to share so others can also check them out?
pilgrim Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:14 pm
I think the question has been answered. I can say it wasn't from this>> Can we now concentrate on the topic?
Linda Senior Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:52 pm
LOL..... i think some sources cannot be explained.........
Sanat Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:46 pm
Here is Matthew's take on the situation and on Obama and the admin:
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17. Because US President Obama is a major factor in the master plan, let us speak about him. Some see his administration moving boldly in new directions, others see it following the same policies as the former administration, and still others see it acting on too many fronts without well-defined objectives. To all who regard with pessimism the decisions and actions thus far, we say: Wait and see! Despite the formidable situations Obama inherited and the determined opposition of Illuminati members of Congress and those who are acting under that dark group’s influence, whether by bribery, blackmail or death threats to family, he will pursue his visionary course to benefit his nation and the world.
18. As he does so, you will see changes in the president’s closest advisors. As I told my mother when she was surprised about his appointments and nominees for posts, most notably Hillary Clinton, “These are not cast in marble,” and I said that Obama was operating in the wisdom of “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” You also will see changes in Congress, either a lessening of opposition because members are turning to the light or they will be leaving in disgrace, as will persons in the previous administration. For several years a gigantic amount of investigation has been going on that ultimately will lead to charges of wrongdoing ranging from corruption to crimes against humanity. This far-reaching effort is being accomplished within legal means that require indisputable evidence, an essential but tedious and time-consuming process, and like all legal matters, progressive developments are not publicly reported.
19. Other information that will come out incrementally includes proof of situations that have been ridiculed by the disparaging label “conspiracy theory”; insidious mind control programs and methods; deliberately contaminated vaccines and laboratory designed diseases to reduce the world’s population; corruption in “justice” systems; vast underground areas and what goes on there; the real perpetrators of terrorism and wars; the international web of collusion that has been controlling the global economy and commerce, health care, education and mainstream media; the long-time presence of extraterrestrial beings and their meetings with heads of governments; and the strategic divisiveness of religions. The amount of information is staggering, and revealing it in one fell swoop would be too much for any psyche to handle.
20. As evidence comes forth, emotions will be mixed: shock, disbelief, relief. To the people who believe “official” reports, the revelations are certain to be shocking. Very likely pragmatists will scoff initially, and many, many people will reel. This is understandable, as it is almost impossible to comprehend the vastness, viciousness and secrecy of the darkness that for millennia has controlled everything that affected life on Earth. But to all who have been awaiting the disclosure of long-hidden truths, there will be not only relief that the time has come at last, there will be exultation, and it will shared by light beings throughout this universe!
21. This is world transformation, not only the purging of one nation’s corruption and deception. The light that is cleansing the United States knows no national boundaries—it is permeating every country in your world and beneath all the current foment, positive changes are underway worldwide. To the many readers who ask especially about African and Mideastern countries, peace will come more slowly in those regions because of the heavy cumulative karma that has to be transmuted. Also, generations upon generations have inculcated in their children hatred, prejudices and burning desire for revenge, and many of Earth’s residents have that orientation. But please do not despair! Within very few years, every country in your world will have honorable, wise leaders and just laws; and tyranny, impoverishment and the inferior status of women will be only lamentable chapters in history books.
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:37 pm
I take it you have not read the link that I provided at the OP, otherwise you would not have posted such a weak response to it. Here's my source.., whom, as it happens., is alive and kicking by the way. He provides a comprehensive list and each individual's relationship with the 'dark cabal'.
" More information on the Obama team will emerge with time. However, it is my hope that this leadership list will help you better understand the direction of this new administration. So will there be “change”? Yes, I anticipate that the government will become larger than in previous administrations. It will also become more socialist, more bureaucratic, more internationalist in its foreign affairs, and more overwhelming in its domestic concerns. Carl Teichrib is a Senior Fellow at World Research Library and is the Chief Editor of Forcing Change, a monthly intelligence-style publication on world affairs and global governance www.forcingchange.org.
To fill all your cabinet post with Trilateralist and Council of Foreign Relation members in the false hope that he's only "keeping his enemies close", really takes some swallowing. Excuse me if it sticks in my throat.
Sanat Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:55 pm
I am not here to convince you or anyone else for that matter. I am here to simply make available info that offers perspectives. I collect perspectives and I am not married to any of them. Perspectives are not truth, only the truth is the truth. And before we know for sure, I remain open to all perspectives including the one you present. I care little about the game of choosing a perspective and then waste energy trying to convince others that "I am right". I collect and promote different perspectives and I accept all perspectives as perspectives.
Being a member of CFR etc. does not automatically make you a non-integrous person. There were also many good people inside the nazi system working as best they could against the system. If Matthew is right things are about to turn around, and a lot of White Hats inside the system will move forward and penetrate deeper and deeper into the core of rotten system until it is healed from the inside out. Time will tell what perspective is closest to the truth...
pilgrim Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:54 pm
That's what this forum is all about, the sharing of information, debating different perspectives in a respectful and courteous manner and hopefully make friends along the way. I hope I haven't been too forceful in my post and if you find I've been offensive in anyway, let me know and I'll remove it.
Tom
Linda Senior Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:50 am
Here's another take on Obama. HEY, OBAMATRONS! WHAT NOW? by Alan Stang March 12, 2009
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:07 am
I watch my own behavior and take responsibility for that. What others do is not my concern really. I have no opinion about whether or not you have been "offensive". You can in many ways only offend yourself in the bigger scheme of things. Others can choose to take offense, or not. If you feel you have been offensive, then look into it. If not, don't look into it. It's not up to me or what I think, but rather up to what you think yourself. I don't judge or expect anything from others to the best of my ability.
I value all perspectives as from my point of view they complement each other and are seldom in direct conflict the way I see it. They are just perspectives and perspectives are "truth" for that person until he/she chooses to change perspective for some reason (direct confrontation by another perspective is seldom what makes that change, it rather reinforces the perspective of the other in my experience). Since I am not married to any particular perspective I cannot easily be offended:) There is nowhere "the hooks" can get a grip, or the knife can thrust. But I do tend to always see the bright side of a situation and present that as an alternative to the more grim or dire side.
To those who's perspective allows for that kind of consideration; I will calibrate the whole Obama admin. and each member and put it up on my website in the near future. Then we will have an indication of who is of integrity or not:)
Thanks,
Sanat
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Sanat Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:06 am
I will be interesting to see what Alex Jones has cooked together with his new movie: "The Obama deception". I can be found at torrent sites already:
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The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order.
He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. and only by exposing the con can we help to save freedom in America.
The Obama Deception is not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation.
Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda, and how his initial appointments and actions prove he serves the corporate oligarchs, not the American people. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you.
If you are also a prisonplanet.tv please help seed by downloading torrent and pointing the torrent to the divx from prisonplanet.tv it should be the exact same has as this is what I have uploaded.
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:15 am
Sanat, your link is blocked for me. I cannot access it.
Both Alex Jones and Red Ice seem to do nothing than bash Obama. Wish they would back off and let him show his true intentions.
Very easy to criticize. I would like to see some of these nay sayers come up with solutions rather than constant negativism. Surely there is something good they could come up with,
I guess good things don't sell DVD's.
I am going to start another thread called "If you were elected president of the U S , how would you try to fix things?"
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:37 am
Ah, I guess you will have to be a member of that site: Here is another link to the site itself:
It's free to be a member and a lot of good stuff can be found there.
Many bash Obama out of the knowledge of how things have been in the past projected onto how things are Now (i.e. assuming things cannot change). It's very understandable. My calibrations of him tells me that he is indeed a man of high integrity. But I am always interested in info and perspectives from all "camps" so to speak. Personally I am very open to give him a fair chance of course. The more "spiritual" oriented part of the "truth movement" like Wilcock, Matthew, Kryon and many others seem to agree with my calibrations that he is a man of high integrity (looking forward to calibrate everyone in his admin. and the combinded field of the admin itself btw. will have it up on my site as soon as possible).
Alex Jones, Rense, Icke and others have a lot invested in the world view they present and thus it becomes hard to see things otherwise. Especially when there are no "obvious signs" that things are moving in a better direction for the time being. I agree very much that it is very easy to simply criticize and complain about how "bad" things are, and I back you in creating that new thread!:) very nice! I find that the new Esoteric Agenda Movie contributes a nice perspective of what we can "do" and what is happenin. It is called Kymatica:
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:46 am
I have just posted a link to Alex Jones' new documentary on Obama. Obama the Deception. If what the doc says is true we had better take another look at him. I am still on the fence but it is time for some investigating.
Alex's vid basically says that Obama is saying all of the right things yet is not following through with his promisses. Also he seems to be fast tracking alot of legislation without any dialogue being allowed. Sounds like a dictatorship to me. This is a very alarming vid.
He is called the great Deciever in the vid. This is a pretty serious allegation.
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:40 am
Just remember that Alex Jones' world view paradigm and his view of government is pretty set from before. And the same has happened with a lot of people he and others have influenced. I am not saying that is bad. Not at all. That wakeupcall was and is very very needed in many cases.
If what Wilcock and other sources like Matthew is talking about is indeed true, it is very unlikely that people like Alex Jones will be able to grasp it. The momentum and heaviness of Alex Jones' world view paradigm is so large that it is not easy to "turn around" or consider otherwise. His life is basically dedicated to what he does and his view of things are pretty crystilized and clear. However, change happens fast these days.
What Wilcock, Matthew and others are saying is that the corrupt rotten system will be turned around from within by integrous people stepping forward, and that Obama plays a major part in this process. There are very little obvious signs of this at the moment, so we will have to wait and see. My calibrations support these notions. When the level of mass consciousness is as high as now, all that cannot match that level is in a process of disintegration and giving in to something that can. Something of integrity.
Just like there were many many good people inside the Nazi regime system it is the same with the global nwo system (probably even more good people since the nwo system encompasses the whole world basically). But as long as the dark was able to suppress the Good/Light, and keep the level of mass consciousness (in the nazi countries) down by the grip of fear, all these Good people inside the system was unable to really step forward and do something.
This is not the case in todays world the way I see it. People are breaking free from the grip of fear. The level of mass consciousness has never been higher in recorded history. Picture this mass consciousness as an "invisible organizing field" surrounding the Planet. At the moment the physical world we see does not reflect the level of that organizing field. But that invisible field is working 24/7 through most everyone in order to bring reality up to its level of expression. It is bound to take a little time. It's very similar to healing. The dis-ease is now gone in the etheric level or "energy level" if you wish. This is the basic "unmanifested" level working 24/7 to manifest on the physical level. There will be "healing crisis" all the way up to the point where the etheric level matches the physical level. This is our world today. We are in major healing crisis, but on the etheric level the world is already healed and well.
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:43 pm
Obama in action:
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Posted on Mar 20, 2009 whitehouse.gov
President Obama has gone digital, releasing an online video of diplomacy to the people and politicians of Iran, suggesting “new beginnings” between the two nations to coincide with Iran’s new year holiday, Nowruz. Yet Obama’s overture requires of Iran, among other things, a cessation of supplying arms to its neighbors—a seemingly disingenuous demand given the United States’ huge financial and weapons support of Israel.
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President Obama's special video message for all those celebrating Nowruz, or "New Day." This year, the President wanted to send a special message to the people and government of Iran, acknowledging the strain in our relations over the last few decades. After committing his administration to a future of honest and respectful diplomacy, he addresses Iran's leaders directly.
Of course actions speak louder than words, but this is quite another tone than what we ever heard from the previous administration. Is Obama's true colors starting to really shine through or is it just a "clever puppet" in action? Time will tell as always...
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:22 pm
feels hopeful to me... in "wait & see" mode here....
pilgrim Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:03 pm
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Just like there were many many good people inside the Nazi regime system it is the same with the global nwo system (probably even more good people since the nwo system encompasses the whole world basically).
Could you please supply the names of these "good" people in the Nazi regime? Also the Nwo or CFR or Trilateralist. No generalisations, just the names.
Why should the Iranian people believe that their enemy of 30 years has changed. Because of a few nice words? That would be a unilateral move requiring either great courage or naivety given that so far Obama has put nothing up front.
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We are in major healing crisis, but on the etheric level the world is already healed and well.
What is this statement based on? Is there any tangible evidence for it? (besides channelled messages). I think I would rather have truth over false hope. I cannot tell my grand kids all is well with the world because somebody said "the ether is cured". It sounds a bit like, remain sheep a bit longer everything will be grand. The above statement is worded in such a way that anyone disagreeing with it, will leave themselves open to the accusation of putting negative energy into ether or mass consciousness. I totally disagree with iton the grounds that religion has kept humanity behaving like dumb animals with the same type of rhetoric. I am not being negative when I say this. I have great aspirations for humanity and personally believe a change will happen when we cross the galactic equator. That belief is based on, not only reliable Mayan calendar but scientific fact, that indeed we are seeing planetary changes throughout our solar system, and the indications are that our DNA will be affected when we enter that equator. That is not negative. I would rather tell my kids that than the garbage espoused by flowery worded 'gurus'. I hope I am not being offensive when I say this, but I must speak my truth.
Anchor Senior Member
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:43 am
Pilgrim, feel free, let it rip :)
You see what you see - that is quite good enough. If we all saw the same things, then it would be more like what you describe: sheep etc.
The point of being individuals yet at the same time part of all, is just for this - countless diverse perspectives.
A..
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:06 am
Pilgrim: You kind of act like I am asking, even demanding, you to believe anything I say. I am not. There is no need to be defensive here. We all add to the mix. I base my view on my own intuition, my own calibrations and various channeled material yes. But also the science that you refer to and David Wilcock talks a lot about. All in all I do not disregard any perspective, I rather like to collect them and know about them all without being totally married to any of them.
Oscar Schindler was a "good person" inside the nazi regime. To me it is rather obvious that there will always be a lot of "good people" even in a regime that has gone very bad. There is black and white and all the gray in between. The gray in between often wants to save its own ass (and familiy also of course), to put it bluntly. And therefore must go along to get along. But there are also a lot of decent gray there in between. Doing good deeds in secret and waiting for the right opportunity. There are a lot of decent good people in the military industrial complex. Of course I cannot "name names". I hardly know the names of most of them. There are millions in that system. If you think everyone in the system is "pure evil" be my guest and be sure to tell your grand children that also:) just kidding
That is the beauty of the Scale of Consciousness. Nothing is either "good" or "bad", there is always a graduation. I will calibrate the Obama admin as I said, and we will see where they are on the scale. Those not interested can feel very free to disregard it of course.
I have gone through on a personal level what I see happening on global level these days. Microcosm and macrocosm.... Therefore I speak about the healing crisis as that it what it seems like to me...
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Subject: Re: Leadership review of Obama's Administration