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PostSubject: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 05, 2010 8:26 am

Have an IRA or 401 K.................... Now is the time to get out or risk losing it all the big confiscation plan is about to unfold
I found this on another forum and as i have started to see the changes begin here in Canada with the Auto insurance we upon renewal will see our premiums remain the same but our benefits that we get will be reduced by half........ thats right Half .any how an interesting article below take it for what its worth in your eyes

http://news.coinupdate.com/us-departments-of-labor-and-treasury-schedule-hearing-on-confiscation-of-private-retirement-accounts-0431/

[b]US Departments of Labor and Treasury Schedule Hearing on Confiscation of Private Retirement Accounts[/b]



By Patrick A. Heller on September 1st, 2010
Categories: Gold and Silver Commentary, Precious Metals

On August 26, the US Department of Labor issued a news release (http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/2010/ebsa082610.html). It lists the agenda for the joint hearings being held with the Department of Treasury September 14-15, 2010 on what is euphemistically called “lifetime income options for retirement plans.” The hearings are being conducted by the Labor Department’s Employee Benefits Security Administration.

I don’t like speaking in tabloid-style terms, but the unstated agenda of these hearings, as I understand it, is to push for the US government to eventually nationalize (confiscate) all assets in private Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and 401K plans!

The US government is desperate to get its hands on private assets to help cover soaring budget deficits and debts, and this is simply the largest and easiest piggy bank that could be seized. The Investment Company Institute estimates that at the end of 2008 that there were $3.613 trillion of assets in IRAs and $2.350 trillion of assets in 401K plans.

For more than the past ten years, I have warned readers that the US government was eventually going to go after private retirement accounts. I considered that as the most important reason to avoid establishing precious metals IRAs. Very few other writers (Ron Holland being one) have picked up on this issue as early as I did. In fact, the mainstream media pretty much ignored the subject even after a House Committee held hearings on the issue in October 2008.

Obviously, an outright seizure of assets would meet stiff resistance from the public. So the confiscation will never be described as such by government officials. Expect to see terms such as “retirement income protection” thrown around. It is highly likely that such a program would be implemented in steps to help overcome public opposition.

The US government plan is to eventually take ownership of all assets in IRAs and 401K accounts and replace them with US government “Treasury Retirement Bonds.” In the October 2008 hearings, it was proposed that these bonds pay a 3% interest rate. Another major change is that, upon retirement, the individual’s retirement account would be converted into an annuity. Once the individual is deceased, the individual’s heirs would not inherit anything (similar to what happens now with Social Security “accounts”).

Among the steps that could be taken to accomplish total confiscation are to first make the conversion voluntary, then make it mandatory for only a portion of total assets. The final step would be making it 100% mandatory for 100% of all assets. One idea proposed in the October 2008 House Committee hearings (after trillions of dollars had already been lost in most assets categories) to help push this plan onto the public, was to allow the seized assets to be replaced with government bonds at a face value of a previous higher valuation date. The idea was that a private citizen, who might have lost 20-50% of his retirement asset value, would be much more willing to accept an inferior retirement asset if doing so allowed them to recoup the losses.

Obviously, brokerage companies and mutual funds strongly object to the potential loss of fees they are now receiving for private retirement plan services. The Investment Company Institute, whose member companies manage more than $11 trillion of assets for about 90 million investors, reports that 96% of surveyed households object to the US government requiring that retirement assets only be distributed as annuities. Among the scheduled speakers at the upcoming hearings are representatives from the Investment Company Institute, Fidelity Investments, Putnam Investments, Lincoln Financial, and Vanguard.

These mid-September hearings have to be evaluated in conjunction with the introduction on August 5 of S. 3760, sponsored by Senators Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) and John Kerry (D-MA) to established mandatory automatic IRAs for many workers who are not covered by company retirement programs. If enacted, employers of such workers would be required to pay 3% of compensation into these accounts, which would have the effect of increasing the assets that the US government could then seize.

As recently as my July 27 CoinUpdate column, I have continued to warn readers to avoid establishing precious metals IRAs—specifically because of this risk of confiscation. I have also long advised that the companies pushing such accounts to customers were giving their customers bad advice.

But, if you already have a precious metals IRA, what can you do now to continue to hold gold and silver as insurance against the decline in the value of other assets? I’m sorry, but I don’t have any perfect solutions.

Any legislation is likely to take time before it becomes law. Therefore, while individuals need to begin to plan how to protect themselves, there is no need for immediate knee-jerk reactions.

Among the options to consider are distributing assets from the retirement accounts and paying the respective income taxes on them. In this way, you can maintain custody of most or all of the assets (depending on where you come up with the funds to pay the taxes). However, if you are under the age of 59-1/2, you may be subject to an extra 10% excise tax for taking a premature distribution. As ugly as this option is, which could accelerate tax payments, it is perhaps the best protection against having assets turned into US Treasury debt.

Another possibility is to sell off your precious metals in a retirement account and replace this holding with gold and silver outside of any retirement account. This would preserve your precious metals position, though it would leave other assets at risk of confiscation.

For some, it may make sense to see what kind of incentive (bribe) is offered for those who voluntarily convert their assets into US Treasury debt. Because gold and silver prices have been rising for the past decade, though, there may not be any such benefit available.

If I hear of other good ideas for protecting wealth from what I expect will ultimately be outright confiscation of IRAs and 401K assets, I will pass them along. In the meantime, give serious consideration as to whether it is worth making future contributions to private retirement accounts.

Keep in mind, contemplating confiscation of private retirement assets is a sign of extreme desperation by the US government. By implication, it is a loud warning that the future value of the US dollar is almost certain to be much lower than it is today. Owning gold and silver, outside of private retirement accounts, is now a much more important wealth-protection step than ever before.

Update 9/2/2010 - See the next column for additional information and responses to comments.

Patrick HellerPatrick A. Heller owns Liberty Coin Service in Lansing, Michigan and writes “Liberty’s Outlook,” a monthly newsletter covering rare coins and precious metals. Past issues can be found online at http://www.libertycoinservice.com/ Pat Heller is also the gold market commentator for Numismatic News. Past columns online at http://numismaster.com/ under “News & Articles”. His radio show “Things You ‘Know’ That Just Aren’t So, And Important News You Need To Know” can be heard at 8:45 AM Wednesday mornings on 1320-AM WILS in Lansing (which streams live and becomes part of the audio and text archives posted at http://www.1320wils.com
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 05, 2010 3:44 pm

Our superannuation is locked until we turn 55 here in Australia :(
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeSun Sep 05, 2010 4:56 pm

That is some heavy info NB. The thieves never stop do they?
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 10:56 am

R, you can access a small amount of not-super under hardship ( I have experience in doing so years ago)

This tells an ugly picture of excessive debt.... I wonder what the figures are like for 09, 10

http://www.fido.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf/byHeadline/Early%20release%20of%20superannuation%20funds

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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 11:39 am

Reunite wrote:
Our superannuation is locked until we turn 55 here in Australia :(

don`t be surprised if they raise the age where you can access it R With mandatory retirement ages set to be raised above 65 they may not want you to have access to it at 55
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 2:29 pm

It seems to me the answer to all these problems are as follows.


1 Trust in you being God.

2 you create your own reality.

3 put yourself out on the edge, and prove one way or the other if what I am saying is true by living a totally spontaneous lifestyle.

3 If you do believe you are God, then you will manifest all you need when you need it, without aid from the system.

4 the reason I say this is because I will soon be coming to the point in my life where this will be put to the test.

5 and if you try this and fail, then you have proved that God is not real?

6 if on the other hand you succeed then you no longer have a need for the system and or the rules.

7 be a rebel with a cause.
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 3:38 pm

@ soma, thanks for the link I wasn't aware of the compassionate grounds...lol

@NB, by the time I retire hopefully the current money system has been abolished

@Gabe, you raise some great points, especially the last one
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 3:45 pm

It will come to pass for me soon, as soon as my Mother dies I will be putting this to test, as I choose not to be a part of the system. As they say time will tell....LOL and In my first impressions, this is when it will get real interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 4:34 pm

If I was still working I really don't think I would be contributing to superannuation because I have a real worry about it flying out the window so to speak.
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 7:51 pm

Gabriel wrote:
...soon ... I will be putting this to test .....



do ya wanna borrow my cliff notes?
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PostSubject: Re: Retirement    Retirement  Icon_minitimeMon Sep 06, 2010 10:11 pm

I might need them Hippy.
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