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Subject: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:46 am
this morning, listening to crosby, stills, nash & young... yes, i realize these guys have fathers high up in military service and i realize they were part of the laurel canyon symbolism, and that they probably played a part in my own personal brainwashing, nonetheless..... *** i put the "deja vu" album (ok, really a CD, but this is a flashback, remember.....) on and listening to it brought back some "old" feelings with a new twist - YOU *** my lil group of freaks (we preferred 'freak' over 'hippie' in the haight circa 1969) tripped to this album several times.... *** the lyrics still move me, even after waking up ... this one, the title track 'deja vu', reminds me of us
One Two Three Four If I had ever been here before I would probably know just what to do Don't you? If I had ever been here before on another time around the wheel I would probably know just how to deal With all of you And I feel Like I've been here before Feel Like I've been here before And you know it makes me wonder What's going on under the ground, hmmm Do you know? Don't you wonder? What's going on down under you We have all been here before, we have all been here before We have all been here before, we have all been here before We have all been here before, we have all been here before *** and this one, 'everybody i love you', is from me to all of you
Know you got to run, Know you got to hide Still there is a great life Lingerin' deep within your eyes.
Open up, open up, baby let me in.
You expect for me to love you When you hate yourself, my friend.
Everybody, I love you Everybody, I do Though your heart is in anger I need your love to get through When I tell you I love you You can believe that it's true
Everybody, I love you Everybody, I do. *** and this one brought our Gabe to my mind - from 'woodstock'
Well I came across a child of God, he was walking along the road And I asked him tell where are you going, this he told me: Well, I'm going down to Yasgur's farm, going to join in a rock and roll band. Got to get back to the land, set my soul free. We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon, And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.
Well, then can I walk beside you? I have come to lose the smog. And I feel like I'm a cog in something turning. And maybe it's the time of year, yes, and maybe it's the time of man. And I don't know who I am but life is for learning. We are stardust, we are golden, we are billion year old carbon, And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.
By the time we got to Woodstock, we were half a million strong, And everywhere there was song and celebration. And I dreamed I saw the bombers jet planes riding shotgun in the sky, Turning into butterflies above our nation.
We are stardust, we are golden, we caught in the devil's bargain, And we got to get ourselves back to the garden. ***
this one brought mz biggz to my mind.... from 'teach your children'
You, who are on the road must have a code that you can live by. And so become yourself because the past is just a good bye. Teach your children well, their father's hell did slowly go by, And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix, the one you'll know by. Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry, So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.
And you, of the tender years can't know the fears that your elders grew by, And so please help them with your youth, they seek the truth before they can die. Teach your parents well, their children's hell will slowly go by, And feed them on your dreams, the one they fix,the one you'll know by. Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry, So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.
***
rock on
Lightning222 Guest
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Subject: Re: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:22 pm
Okay now I thought the topic was going to describe something different WH....
Biggles Senior Member
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Subject: Re: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:44 pm
Thank you for this hippie my love, you know I love you and if my spirit passes I shall be watching over you and sending you lots of it, love that is.
I am taught so much by my beautiful soul mates here. xxoo
Reunite Moderator
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Subject: Re: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:34 pm
Lightning222 wrote:
Okay now I thought the topic was going to describe something different WH....
As soon as I saw the title I mediately thought acid flashback.
There are a few hints in the text of the song that radiate some enlightened awareness hippie.
Rock on
sky otter Senior Member
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Subject: Re: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:24 pm
i always luv'd that woodstock song but was blown away when i saw a show that said tha she, Joni Mitchell, wasn't even there
she wrote it from what her then boy friend gram nash told her she's is extremely talented and her later work is continously incredible..imho
and Hippie..you talk about military connections..i always thought the one with kris kristofferson was wild he was a rhodes scholar and had just taken a teaching position at west point when he left it all (included wife and new baby) to hit the road while the music stays the same..when you hear about the background story it adds layers
Biggles Senior Member
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Subject: Re: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:28 pm
Gee, I knew he was a rhodes scholar but fancy leaving wife and a new baby.
sky otter Senior Member
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Subject: Re: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:36 pm
hey biggs...
Biography [edit] Early life Kristofferson was born in Brownsville, Texas, to parents Mary Ann (née Ashbrook) and Lars Henry Kristofferson, a U.S. Army Air Corps (later U.S. Air Force) major general.[1] As is common with many military families[citation needed], military service was a multi-generational tradition: Kristofferson's paternal grandfather was also an officer (in the Swedish Army). When Kristofferson was a child, his father pushed him toward a military career.[2] Like most "military brats", Kristofferson moved around frequently as a youth, finally settling down in San Mateo, California, where he graduated from San Mateo High School. An aspiring writer, Kristofferson enrolled in Pomona College in 1954. He experienced his first dose of fame when he appeared in Sports Illustrated's "Faces In The Crowd" for his achievements in collegiate rugby union, football, and track and field. He and fellow classmates revived the Claremont Colleges Rugby Club in 1958, which has remained a Southern California rugby dynasty. Kristofferson became a member of Phi Beta Kappa at Pomona College, graduating in 1958 with a BA, summa cum laude in Literature. In a 2004 interview with Pomona College Magazine Kristofferson mentioned philosophy professor Frederick Sontag as an important influence in his life.[3]
Kristofferson earned a Rhodes Scholarship to the University of Oxford, where his college was Merton. While at Oxford he was awarded his blue for boxing and began writing songs. With the help of his manager, Larry Parnes, he recorded for Top Rank Records under the name Kris Carson. This early phase of his music career was unsuccessful.[4]
In 1960, Kristofferson graduated with a BPhil in English literature and married an old girlfriend, Fran Beer. Kristofferson ultimately joined the U.S. Army and achieved the rank of captain. He became a helicopter pilot after receiving flight training at Fort Rucker, Alabama. He also completed Ranger School. During the early 1960s, he was deployed to West Germany as a member of the 8th Infantry Division.[5] It was during this time that he resumed his music career and formed a band. In 1965, when his tour of duty ended, Kristofferson was offered a position as a professor of English Literature at West Point. Instead, he decided to leave the Army and pursue songwriting professionally. Kristofferson sent some of his compositions to a friend's relative, Marijohn Wilkin, a successful Nashville, Tennessee songwriter.
[edit] Music career After being honorably discharged from the Army in 1965, Kristofferson moved to Nashville. He worked at a variety of odd jobs while struggling for success in music, burdened with medical expenses resulting from his son's defective esophagus. He and his wife soon divorced.
He got a job sweeping floors at Columbia Studios in Nashville. There he met Johnny Cash, who initially accepted some of Kristofferson's songs but chose not to use them. During Kristofferson's janitorial stint for Columbia, Bob Dylan recorded his landmark 1966 album Blonde on Blonde at the studio. Though he had the opportunity to watch some of Dylan's recording sessions, Kristofferson never met Dylan out of fear that he would be fired for approaching him.
He also worked as a commercial helicopter pilot at that time for a south Louisiana firm called Petroleum Helicopters International (PHI), based in Lafayette, Louisiana. Kristofferson recalled of his days as a pilot, "That was about the last three years before I started performing, before people started cutting my songs... I would work a week down here [in south Louisiana] for PHI, sitting on an oil platform and flying helicopters. Then I'd go back to Nashville at the end of the week and spend a week up there trying to pitch the songs, then come back down and write songs for another week... I can remember 'Help Me Make It Through The Night' I wrote sitting on top of an oil platform. I wrote 'Bobby Mcgee' down here, and a lot of them [in south Louisiana]."[6]
In 1966, Dave Dudley released a successful Kristofferson single, "Viet Nam Blues". In 1967, Kristofferson signed to Epic Records and released a single, "Golden Idol"/"Killing Time", but the song was not successful. Within the next few years, more Kristofferson originals hit the charts, performed by Roy Drusky ("Jody and the Kid"), Billy Walker & the Tennessee Walkers ("From the Bottle to the Bottom"), Ray Stevens ("Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down"), Jerry Lee Lewis ("Once More with Feeling") Faron Young ("Your Time's Comin'") and Roger Miller ("Me and Bobby McGee", "Best of all Possible Worlds", "Darby's Castle"). Further, he achieved some success as a performer himself, resulting from Johnny Cash's introduction of Kristofferson at the Newport Folk Festival.
In a distinctly notable fashion, Kristofferson grabbed Cash's attention when he unexpectedly landed his helicopter in Cash's yard and gave him some tapes including "Sunday Morning Coming Down".[7]
Kristofferson signed to Monument Records as a recording artist. In addition to running that label, Fred Foster also served as manager of Combine Music, Kristofferson's songwriting label. His debut album for Monument in 1970 was Kristofferson, which included a few new songs as well as many of his previous hits. Sales were poor, although this debut album would become a success the following year when it was re-released under the title Me & Bobby McGee. Kristofferson's compositions were still in high demand. Ray Price ("For the Good Times"), Waylon Jennings ("The Taker"), Bobby Bare ("Come Sundown"), Johnny Cash ("Sunday Morning Coming Down") and Sammi Smith ("Help Me Make It Through the Night") all recorded successful versions of his songs in the early 1970s. "For the Good Times" (Ray Price) won "Song of the Year" in 1970 from the Academy of Country Music, while "Sunday Morning Coming Down" (Johnny Cash) won the same award from the Academy's rival, the Country Music Association in the same year. This is the only time an individual received the same award from these two organizations in the same year for different songs.
Kristofferson with Rita Coolidge at Willie Nelson's 4th of July Picnic 1972.In 1971, Janis Joplin, who dated Kristofferson until her death, had a number 1 hit with "Me and Bobby McGee" from her posthumous Pearl. When released, it stayed on the number one spot on the charts for weeks. More hits followed from others: Ray Price ("I Won't Mention It Again", "I'd Rather Be Sorry"), Joe Simon ("Help Me Make It Through the Night"), Bobby Bare ("Please Don't Tell Me How the Story Ends"), O.C. Smith ("Help Me Make It Through the Night") Jerry Lee Lewis ("Me and Bobby McGee"), Patti Page ("I'd Rather Be Sorry") and Peggy Little ("I've Got to Have You"). Kristofferson released his second album, The Silver Tongued Devil and I in 1971; the album was a success and established Kristofferson's career as a recording artist in his own right. Soon after, Kristofferson made his acting debut in The Last Movie (directed by Dennis Hopper) and appeared at the Isle of Wight Festival. In 1971, he acted in Cisco Pike and released his third album, Border Lord; the album was all-new material and sales were sluggish. He also swept the Grammy Awards that year with numerous songs nominated, winning country song of the year for "Help Me Make It Through the Night". Kristofferson's 1972 fourth album, Jesus Was a Capricorn initially had slow sales, but the third single, "Why Me", was a success and significantly increased album sales.
this is one of my favorites..can you tell i'm a fan
sorry hippie
Biggles Senior Member
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Subject: Re: flashbacks Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:59 pm
Yep, I think your a big fan, thank's for that information on Kris. I remember decades back watching a film with him and Barbra Streisand in it at the movies.
While reading the above sky I thought to myself; here's this guy, not only does he get the top spot in his college class but then gets to go to Oxford, graduates there and ends up pushing a broom in Nashville; it just seemed a little bit ironic to me eventhough I knew he didn't have to do it.
He made it through the hippie stage though without too much trouble. Thanks again hon. xo
Gabriel Contributor
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