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PostSubject: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeSun Nov 21, 2010 9:38 am

i did a some "standing" yesterday ...
***
we had word of a young woman in the next town who
needed family/neighbor support - her husband of only 6 months
was killed in afghanistan - the memorial was scheduled
and we got word that the whackos from westboro were on
their way
***
meet the players:

white hats -

Lance Cpl. Matthew J. Broehm
rip
http://www.williamsnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=167&SubSectionID=468&ArticleID=10826

the Patriot Guard Riders
bravo-009


black hats -

westboro baptist "church"

this link to their "picket schedule" - they may coming to a town near you!
watchingb
http://www.godhatesfags.com/schedule.html

and a lil vid on one of their pickets:
soapbox


***
we wore black under our colors, we carried flags and
we froze our butts off in the cold wind ... but we were there,
the intention was to stand as a barrier between the family
and the westboro picket
***
they did not show themselves - i think they got a look at
the little town full of gun-totin' arizonans and they decided
not to get out of their vans with their hateful signs
***
smart move .....
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeSun Nov 21, 2010 9:42 am

I'm not sure of the reqs of the Hero section here..but thats very worthy Hipster cheers

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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeSun Nov 21, 2010 10:09 am

sunny

way to go Hippie

we have this happening around here too..

it's sad where relegion takes some...
but if not relegion they would call it something else

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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeSun Nov 21, 2010 1:56 pm

Well done Hippie.

I'd rather have the conscious of a rock than that church group.
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeWed Nov 24, 2010 11:04 am

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i thought this appropriate to place here..i hope it's ok


In Harrisonville, thousands line street to keep Phelps clan away from soldier’s funeral
By DONALD BRADLEY
The Kansas City Star


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In Harrisonville on Tuesday, James Turner of Independence
was among the estimated 2,000 to 3,000 people who came to ensure that Fred Phelps
and his Westboro Baptist Church/family congregation did not disrupt the funeral of
Army Cpl. Jacob R. Carver.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/23/2467169/in-harrisonville-thousands-line.html#ixzz16DxZVRwL


As if a bell tolled a neighbor’s trouble, folks came running.

The first showed up before the sun Tuesday, huddling and shivering in the cold and the dark. Others soon came, and before long their numbers stretched a block on both sides of Mechanic Street in front of Harrisonville’s Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church.

People drove from three or four counties away. Buses arrived, bellowing exhaust into the cold, bringing loads of schoolkids and senior citizens. People took off work. Some brought dogs. Farmers parked pickups nearby.

It wasn’t a fire, but a burning sense of what was the decent thing to do for one of their own who had given his all.

By 9 a.m., an hour before the funeral of Army Cpl. Jacob R. Carver, an estimated 2,000 to 3,000 people, many of them waving American flags, lined nearly a half-mile of the street in front of the church, making sure Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church/family congregation were crowded out, peacefully kept far from shouting distance of the funeral.

“This soldier died so (Phelps) could do what he does, as stupid as that is,” said Steve Nothnagel of Harrisonville as he looked at the turnout. “I’m so proud of what is happening here today. This is a community coming together. I know it’s not just Harrisonville; they’re coming from all over.”

The call had gone out by word of mouth and Facebook: Come to Harrisonville, line the streets. Let’s protect this family on this saddest of days.

Not long ago, the same strategy against Phelps was pulled off in Weston. As one woman that day said: “We’re like any small town. We fight a little between ourselves. But today, we’re all together.”

By the time the Phelps clan rolled into Harrisonville, the only spot open to them was next to a Casey’s Store nearly a third of a mile from the church.

The seven protesters got out of their van and waved their signs and ranted their slogans that soldiers’ deaths were God’s punishment for America’s tolerance of homosexuality.

Opponents drowned them out with a rousing rendition of “God Bless America” and chants of “USA! USA!” and “Go home! Go home!”

“We can’t stop them, but we can be louder,” a man said.

After a near skirmish between the two groups, the Topeka group bailed before the funeral procession passed.

Angel Needham, 15, a sophomore at Cass Midway High School — from which Jacob Carver graduated in 2008 — said she believed in free speech and the First Amendment.

“I just don’t get why he (Phelps) has to do it at funerals,” Angel said.

With parental permission, Cass Midway students were allowed to attend the funeral and take part in the human buffer.

Carver, 20, a member of the 101st Airborne Division from Freeman in Cass County, was killed Nov. 13 along with four other soldiers in a suicide bomb attack in Afghanistan.

He came from a large family and joined the Army shortly after graduation from Cass Midway, where he played football, loved to dance, and was known as the boy who would take any dare.

“He was a really good kid,” said Principal Doug Dahman, who joined a group of letter jacket-clad students in the line in front of the church.

Next to him was a man from Platte City, who got up at 4:30 a.m. Farther down was John Yeager, who came as part of a group of Blue Springs firefighters.

“We’re here for the family,” Yeager said. “Nobody should have to hear that on this day.”

So many people agreed with that sentiment that officers from the Belton and Pleasant Hill police departments, the Cass County Sheriff’s Office, and the Missouri Highway Patrol helped with crowd control.

Truck driver Tom Anderson said of the outpouring: “It’s heartbreaking and it’s heartwarming.”

As usual, the Patriot Guard Riders, braving subfreezing temperatures to get to Harrisonville, provided a motorcycle escort for the funeral procession.

“Look at all those flags out waving out there,” said Donna Byam, a member of the group. “He’s (Phelps) responsible for that.”

Her husband, Brad Byam, nodded: “A silver lining in a dark cloud.”
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and what is really sad is that we needed these 15 folks to bring so many more of us not together..but to action together...so rather than comdemn them as heartless
we should thank them for their service too

sometimes seeing both sides makes you want to go have a beer ...sigh

and then you think ..what horrible thing has to happen so that we come together on yet another level
this kind of progress sucks


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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeWed Nov 24, 2010 1:13 pm

not is it only o.k., lil otter, i do appreciate you participating
in this thread, adding to it, and bringing tears to my eyes ...
your comment at end of article is also well-taken ...thank you
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeWed Nov 24, 2010 1:33 pm

if anyone is interested, there is a story online which
comes with a short news clip about the memorial i went to ....

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/war_room/town-of-williams-supports-fallen-hero-11202010
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeWed Nov 24, 2010 5:47 pm

So the penny has just dropped for me then, this drop kick baptist group protest at soldier's funerals to let people know that soldiers lost their lives due to the US acceptance of homosexuality.

Surely we can come up with some banners directed towards what their about; fat bigots go home, your all ugly go home, we don't want to see your fat ugly butts anymore, save up for some liposuction fatso, something like that,..............I dont know something.

Can't we hide somewhere and slingshot some rotten banana in their faces or throw eggs at their van without being seen. Groan.
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeWed Nov 24, 2010 8:02 pm

rainbow heart
ahh biggs
your thoughts on tossing rotten fruit is probably most folk's first thought
and i think a natural reaction
but
step back and think a minute
doing that would only take you to their level....whatever that level is

why not thank them for their service of bringing so many together to just stand shoulder to shoulder
in love and caring of a family who had just lost their family member
i mean, what better comfort for a family than to know so many really do care

those who believe they are doing god's work by yelling and carrying signs telling all that homesexuality is wrong
they really are doing god's work
just not how they intended

somewhere someone wrote.
whenever two or more are gathered in my name

i really do think more and more are getting it and acting in love rather than hate
love
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeWed Nov 24, 2010 10:44 pm

That's true sky, I really should think more like yourself, can't I just do this once though to their faces mooning mooning just once maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 8:23 am

Biggles wrote:
That's true sky, I really should think more like yourself, can't I just do this once though to their faces mooning mooning just once maybe.



i say, let her do it just once, sky

too funny
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 9:20 pm

rainbow heart

ok..
this is me..standing with hands on hips and looking you in the eye

i am NOT the police of any kind..ya hear me.....lol

you do whatever you want

i was sharing my thoughts on stuff..and no way ..no how ..would i ever tell any one what to do

i look at it this way..your decision..your reward..or your penalty...it's all your choice for now


who knows how it will play out later
but for now..
what you put out there..is what you will get back

so for me... i'm throwing flowers

good night


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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 9:35 pm

Okay sky hon, I promise no mooning, just one of these that's all hon...... ha ha
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 9:36 pm

i agree with you sky, but i am sympatico with mz biggz, too ...
that's part of my problem, i can see multiple sides of dilemmas
and feel like i am in the middle with details swirling around me
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 9:38 pm

Maybe we can get Biggs one of these guns?

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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 9:38 pm

Biggles wrote:
Okay sky hon, I promise no mooning, just one of these that's all hon...... ha ha


ya got me, mz biggz, made me spit my water out all over monitor when
i saw this post .... mind if i use the hysterical guy again?
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 9:43 pm

hey ladies

i can see both sides also
and moonin them seems harmless..or even tongue out..

then i step back and decide for me ..i'm just not playin anymore
i am activly working to be nicer and nicer...
and be as unattached as i can
and it is a job too
and i am not judging anyone

and i am really getting sick of myself sounding like some preachy know-it-all type
beingsick

so if i go quiet..that's why

and since this is thanksgiving i will really go mushy on ya all
and say i am sooo grateful for knowing you and being able to speak openly
so
damn it
hugs all around
group-hug


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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeThu Nov 25, 2010 9:47 pm

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
gobble gobble, sky ...
i was making a mental list today of everything i am
thankful for, and this group was definitely at the top
of that list ....
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um, don't say we don't look at all sides ......

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shocked

wtf This guy is serious.

Really not sure who his God is?
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PostSubject: Re: "standing on principle"   "standing on principle" Icon_minitimeWed Jan 12, 2011 10:47 am

Well done Hippie. I'm proud of your grit.

good job

We need more people on this planet with the same backbone, maybe then we'll have peace.

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