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PostSubject: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 6:03 am

http://www.livescience.com/culture/mayan-apocalypse-miscalculated-calendar-101018.html


It's a good news/bad news situation for believers in the 2012 Mayan apocalypse. The good news is that the Mayan "Long Count" calendar may not end on Dec. 21, 2012 (and, by extension, the world may not end along with it). The bad news for prophecy believers? If the calendar doesn't end in December 2012, no one knows when it actually will — or if it has already.

A new critique, published as a chapter in the new textbook "Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World" (Oxbow Books, 2010), argues that the accepted conversions of dates from Mayan to the modern calendar may be off by as much as 50 or 100 years. That would throw the supposed and overhyped 2012 apocalypse off by decades and cast into doubt the dates of historical Mayan events. (The doomsday worries are based on the fact that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, much as our year ends on Dec. 31.)

The Mayan calendar was converted to today's Gregorian calendar using a calculation called the GMT constant, named for the last initials of three early Mayanist researchers. Much of the work emphasized dates recovered from colonial documents that were written in the Mayan language in the Latin alphabet, according to the chapter's author, Gerardo Aldana, University of California, Santa Barbara professor of Chicana and Chicano Studies.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 6:15 am

I saw this the other day Mic and thanks for posting it mate sunny

Hmm..if someone did a bit of research and found a new date there would be a buck or two to made there LOL

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 7:34 am

rainbow heart

ok
i'm tellin ya up front that this is my two cent rant for the day

we are all energy..think about how much of ourselves has been expended towards this subject and others like it
positive or negetive
energy is power..the more you have..blah blah blah

how have you thought about 2012

in a positive way that improves you
your ability to use your mind...your recognition of how it all works
a decision to focus on positive
but
what if you have been in fear...and thus giving away some of your energy
where's it going..who gets it..who's using it

Cayce and Ra both said it..
THOUGHTS ARE THINGS......
what YOU/ME/US think about is the direction we go

so consider this...it's not the stories of clones or IA or groups
or what some say are being done to us
it's the way we feel in hearing about it that counts
that first instance where you either say
oh shit..!..or..whatever.....that's the power point

don't give your power away...

ok..off the soapbox ...back to being pollyanna and thinking good thoughts
still working in the garden..planting garlic today
hugs and smilie hugs
group-hug
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 7:43 am

I'm feeling quite generous tonight Sky... I'll give you two bucks for that two cent rant toast
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 8:16 am

Sky ya might like this rather cool lecture snippet as it details what you said my dear Pollyanna lol!

From an Ormus researcher

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 9:00 am

lol!

yep..what you believe is where you go..
i worked in mushroom breeding for a number of years...
no formal biology trainging as most of the phd's had..but
we had grown them as a business and i have participated in all the tasks
so my belief was different than my co-workers

when the director needed something to start ..i got the project
stuff would grow for me where it wouldn't for the others
it was becasue i believed nothing was ever really dead..just dormant
even when i would show them what i did..they couldn't repeat it
cause they never believed it would work
i have tons of stories
toast
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 9:14 am

Awesome mate!

rainbow heart
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 9:32 am

cool.

read somewhere once that the gregorian calander is out by 300 (maybe more) years anyway, due to the dark ages.
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 11:42 am

lol!


hey froggie..where's the halloween icons?...bbbbhwaaaaaaaa
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End of the row over Mayan doomsday belief?
By IB Times Staff Reporter | October 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT

Looks like it’s the doomsday season, again, as several scientists and speculators have proposed numerous astronomical alignments hinting at the planet’s demise, based on the view that the calendar of the ancient Mayan civilization ends on December 21, 2012.

There is a range of eschatological beliefs that cataclysmic or transformative events will occur on December 21, 2012, which is said to be the end-date of a 5,125-year-long cycle in the Mayan long count calendar.

According to English archeologist John Eric Sidney Thompson 0.0.0.0.0 of the Mayan calendar corresponded to the Julian date 584283, which equals August 11, 3114 BC in Gregorian calendar. This means that the end date of 13.0.0.0.0 of the Mayan calendar, some 5,125 years later, is December 21, 2012 AD.

However, many researchers have disproved the theory. Gerardo Aldana, associate professor of Chicana and Chicano Studies at University of California Santa Barbara, has said the correlation of the ancient Maya calendar with the modern Gregorian is inaccurate by 50 to 100 years or more.

Aldana has challenged the accepted Gregorian dates of all Classic Mayan historical events, as well as the doomsday 2012 prophecies, in a book titled, "Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World".

"One of the principal complications is that there are really so few scholars who know the astronomy, the epigraphy, and the archeology," said Aldana. "Because there are so few people who are working on that, you get people who don't see the full scope of the problem. And because they don't see the full scope, they buy things they otherwise wouldn't."

The supporters of doomsday theory say December 21, 2012 is the date that ends one precession of the equinox that began 26,000 years ago, the last time that the winter solstice sun crossed the center of the Milky Way galaxy. The Mayans believed that there were five great ages and we live in the last one.

The combination of each great age represents about 26,000 years, or one precession of the equinox, starting and terminating at the winter solstice when the sun conjoins the galactic center; an event that only occurs once every 26,000 years. The Galactic Alignment is the alignment of the December solstice sun with the Galactic equator.

The galactic alignments, more generally speaking, occur in era 2012 (1980 - 2016) and every quarter precession cycle before and after era 2012. In terms of Mayan mythology, it can also describe the Galactic Alignment of era-2012 as the alignment of the December solstice sun and the Dark Rift.

However, scientists at NASA scientists have said there are no planetary alignments in the next few decades and that earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence, NASA said.

NASA has also rejected the Planet X theory pitched in by the supporters of doomsday. Plant X is a planet that the ancient Sumerians referred to as ‘Nibiru’ that means ‘Planet of the Crossing’. The Sumerians gave it this name because every 3,630 years Planet X crosses Earth's orbit. The proponents of this theory say Planet X is headed towards the inner solar system and would cause massive earthquakes, volcanoes, tidal waves, the melting or shifting of the polar ice caps, sudden fluctuations in temperature and climatic conditions, and probably a shift in the polar axis of Earth.

NASA said Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye
A reversal in the rotation of earth is impossible. There are slow movements of the continents (for example Antarctica was near the equator hundreds of millions of years ago), but that is irrelevant to claims of reversal of the rotational poles. However, many of the disaster websites pull a bait-and-shift to fool people,” NASA said.

Some doomsday supporters also point out the similarity between Mayan predictions and the theories proposed in the ancient Indian Hindu epic ‘Brahma-Vaivarta Purana’. In the epic, Lord Krishna tells Ganga Devi that a Golden Age will come in the Kali Yuga - one of the four stages of development that the world goes through as part of the cycle of eras. Lord Krishna predicted that this Golden Age will start 5,000 years after the beginning of the Kali Yuga, and will last for 10,000 years.

According to the Hindu epic The Bhagvad Gita, we are now living in an age called ‘Kali Yuga’. The Hindu Kali Yuga calendar began on February 18, 3102 BC, according to Indian scholars.

They point to the similarity of the origination of Mayan calendar in 3114 BC and Hindu Kali Yuga calendar in 3102 BC. These calendars began at about the same time over 5,000 years ago and both calendars predict a totally new world and/or golden age after about 5,000 years into their calendars, they say.

But scholars from various disciplines have dismissed the idea of catastrophe in 2012. Mainstream Mayanist scholars state that predictions of impending doom are not found in any of the existing classic Maya accounts, and that the idea that the long count calendar ‘ends’ in 2012 misrepresents Maya history.

“We have no record or knowledge that the Maya would think the world would come to an end in 2012,” said Susan Milbrath, curator of Latin American Art and Archaeology at the Florida Museum of Natural History.

“Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar,” NASA scientists categorically said in a statement on September 6, 2009.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/74903/20101022/planet-demise-mayan-calendar-gerardo-aldana-doomsday-future-mayan-calendar-earth-space-2012-hindu-na.htm
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 11:56 am

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The proponents of this theory say Planet X is headed towards the inner solar system and would cause massive earthquakes, volcanoes, tidal waves, the melting or shifting of the polar ice caps, sudden fluctuations in temperature and climatic conditions, and probably a shift in the polar axis of Earth.



whew Sure glad that isn't happening.........hey wait a minute!!!!! shocked
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 12:00 pm

sunny

hey Mic

yeah...i like the nasa says stuff...always good for a mis-direct and a laugh

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 3:19 pm

Yeah that Pope Greg really stuffed things up didn't he.

On a side note you have to laugh at the phrase 'Doomsday Supporters'
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 3:22 pm

sky otter wrote:

hey froggie..where's the halloween icons?...bbbbhwaaaaaaaa

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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeTue Oct 26, 2010 3:54 pm

Reunite wrote:
sky otter wrote:

hey froggie..where's the halloween icons?...bbbbhwaaaaaaaa

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lol! cool
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeWed Oct 27, 2010 6:02 am

2012....


What-ev-er!
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PostSubject: Re: 2012 .... Postponed!!!   2012 .... Postponed!!! Icon_minitimeWed Oct 27, 2010 6:09 am

Anchor wrote:
2012....


What-ev-er!

I thought you would have been glad to read that AJ; you being all positive about being positive. sunny
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