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PostSubject: timeline for the holiday   Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:20 am

i think most holidaze any more have lost there origins thur time...so just thought i would do some history for this one
M..sorry i don't know a lot about canada's history..so if you want to fill us in..please do

for this year i give thanks that knowing all of you has furthered my growth..
thank you all and blessings..


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Thanksgiving Day is a harvest festival celebrated primarily in Canada and the United States. Traditionally, it is a time to give thanks for the harvest and express gratitude in general. While perhaps religious in origin, Thanksgiving is now primarily identified as a secular holiday.

The date and location of the first Thanksgiving celebration is a topic of modest contention. The traditional "first Thanksgiving" is the celebration that occurred at the site of Plymouth Plantation, in 1621. The Plymouth celebration occurred early in the history of what would become one of the original thirteen colonies that became the United States. The celebration became an important part of the American myth by the 1800s.[citation needed] This Thanksgiving, modeled after celebrations that were commonplace in contemporary Europe, is generally regarded as America's first. Elementary school teacher Robyn Gioia has argued that the earliest attested "thanksgiving" celebration in what is now the United States was celebrated by the Spanish on September 8, 1565 in what is now Saint Augustine, Florida.[1][2] Today, Thanksgiving is celebrated on the second Monday of October in Canada and on the fourth Thursday of November in the United States. Thanksgiving dinner is held on this day, usually as a gathering of family members and friends.

A Thanksgiving Day service is held in Hooglandse Kerk to commemorate the hospitality the Pilgrims received in Leiden on their way to the New World.[4]

In Grenada there is a national holiday of Thanksgiving Day on 25 October. It is unrelated to holidays in Canada and the United States even though it bears the same name and occurs around the same time. It marks the anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of the island in 1983 in response to the deposition and execution of Grenadan Prime Minister Maurice Bishop.[3


Pagan Roots of Thanksgiving
Feast Day Has Roots in European and Native American Paganism
©️ Jill Stefko

It's taught that the Pilgrims established Thanksgiving, to share their abundant harvest with local Wampanoag Tribe, “People of the Dawn.” They were gatherers, hunters, farmers and fishermen. The colonists arrived in December and endured hard times, barely surviving. Colonists recorded Indians were robbed and their fields were plundered, most likely because of this.

Wampanoag Tribe Helping Pilgrims Leads to Thanksgiving
Wampanoagan Samoset came to help the colonists, but his command of the English language was limited, so he later brought Squanto, who knew English well, to teach the Pilgrims survival skills. He taught the immigrants how to grow beans, corn, squash and other crops, using fish as a fertilizer. Squanto showed them which plants were poisonous and those used for healing. He taught the people how to obtain sap from maple trees, dig for clams and other skills.

The Pilgrims celebrated the first New World harvest. Leader Captain Miles Standish invited Chief Massasoit and 90 braves, including Squanto and Samoset, to join them in 1621. Thanksgiving was not the first feast celebrating harvest. Pagans had festivals giving thanks for bounty.

Native American and Pagan European Thanksgiving Roots

The Wampanoag had their own harvest celebration in which they gave thanks for abundant crops to Kiehtan, the Creator. They believed corn, the most valued crop, was a gift from him. The tribe expressed gratitude to the spirits of the game for the animals they killed for food.

By the time Abraham Lincoln declared Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1861, other Europeans had settled in America and brought their traditions, some Pagan, with them. Harvest festivals were celebrated by Europeans. Romans celebrated Cerelia by giving thanks to Ceres, Goddess of Harvest. Celtic and Anglo/Saxon Pagans celebrated Lughnasadh and Mabon, the first and second harvests. The Greeks gave honor to Demeter during the Thesmophoria. The New Englanders’ Pagan ancestors celebrated Harvest Home, the first reaping of crops, in August. There was a silent time for gratitude and reflection, followed by singing and dancing after which a joyous feast was held.

First Thanksgiving Feast
There are only two brief contemporary accounts written by Edward Winslow and William Bradford of the menu. According to these, celebrants ate venison, fowl, corn, fish and wheat breads. It is likely that rabbit, eggs, shellfish, barley, beans, squash, carrots, onions, peas, cabbage, cheese, pumpkin and Indian puddings, nuts and cornbread were on the table because these foods were available in 1621. There were no pies because the colonists didn’t have ovens. Potatoes weren’t served.It’s been written that Quadequina, Massasoit’s brother, treated the celebrants to popcorn. This has been refuted because Indian corn doesn’t pop well. It’s possible that popcorn, although poorly made, was served.
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It wasn't until October 1777 that all 13 colonies celebrated a day of Thanksgiving. The very first national day of Thanksgiving was held in 1789, when President George Washington proclaimed Thursday, November 26 to be "a day of public thanksgiving and prayer," to especially give thanks for the opportunity to form a new nation and the establishment of a new constitution.

Yet even after a national day of Thanksgiving was declared in 1789, Thanksgiving was not an annual celebration.

Mother of Thanksgiving

We owe the modern concept of Thanksgiving to a woman named Sarah Josepha Hale. Hale, editor of Godey's Lady's Book and author of the famous "Mary Had a Little Lamb" nursery rhyme, spent 40 years advocating for a national, annual Thanksgiving holiday. In the years leading up to the Civil War, she saw the holiday as a way to infuse hope and belief in the nation and the constitution. So, when the United States was torn in half during the Civil War and Lincoln was searching for a way to bring the nation together, he discussed the matter with Hale.

Lincoln Sets Date

On October 3, 1863, Lincoln issued a Thanksgiving Proclamation that declared the last Thursday in November (based on Washington's date) to be a day of "thanksgiving and praise." For the first time, Thanksgiving became a national, annual holiday with a specific date.

FDR Changes It

For 75 years after Lincoln issued his Thanksgiving Proclamation, succeeding presidents honored the tradition and annually issued their own Thanksgiving Proclamation, declaring the last Thursday in November as the day of Thanksgiving. However, in 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt did not. In 1939, the last Thursday of November was going to be November 30. Retailers complained to FDR that this only left 24 shopping days to Christmas and begged him to push Thanksgiving just one week earlier. It was determined that most people do their Christmas shopping after Thanksgiving and retailers hoped that with an extra week of shopping, people would buy more.

So when FDR announced his Thanksgiving Proclamation in 1939, he declared the date of Thanksgiving to be Thursday, November 23, the second-to-last Thursday of the month.


The new date for Thanksgiving caused a lot of confusion. Calendars were now incorrect. Schools who had planned vacations and tests now had to reschedule. Thanksgiving had been a big day for football games, as it is today, so the game schedule had to be examined.

Political opponents of FDR and many others questioned the president's right to change the holiday and stressed the breaking of precedent and disregard for tradition. Many believed that changing a cherished holiday just to appease businesses was not a sufficient reason for change. Atlantic City's mayor derogatorily called November 23 as "Franksgiving."

Two Thanksgivings in 1939?

Before 1939, the president annually announced his Thanksgiving Proclamation and then governors followed the president in officially proclaiming the same day as Thanksgiving for their state. In 1939, many governors did not agree with FDR's decision to change the date and refused to follow him. The country became split on which Thanksgiving they should observe.

Twenty-three states followed FDR's change and declared Thanksgiving to be November 23. Twenty-three other states disagreed with FDR and kept the traditional date for Thanksgiving, November 30. Two states, Colorado and Texas, decided to honor both dates.

This idea of two Thanksgiving days split some families, because not everyone had the same day off work.

Did It Work?

Though the confusion caused many frustrations across the country, the question remained as to whether the extended holiday shopping season caused people to spend more, thus helping the economy. The answer was no. Businesses reported that the spending was approximately the same, but the distribution of the shopping was changed. For those states who celebrated the earlier Thanksgiving date, the shopping was evenly distributed throughout the season. For those states that kept the traditional date, businesses experienced a bulk of shopping in the last week before Christmas.


In 1940, FDR again announced Thanksgiving to be the second-to-last Thursday of the month. This time, 31 states followed him with the earlier date and 17 kept the traditional date. Confusion over two Thanksgivings continued.

Congress Fixes It

Lincoln had established the Thanksgiving holiday to bring the country together, but the confusion over the date change was tearing it apart. On December 26, 1941, Congress passed a law declaring that Thanksgiving would occur every year on the fourth Thursday of November.


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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:54 pm

Well we kinda celebrate both thanksgivings around here. My wife works for a company that is American owned and things are pretty slow at work for the next couple of days. She usually works thurs to get things caught up and takes Fri off.

It has become tradition that a buddy of mine always has a football party, so a bunch of us call it a national holiday and buy a bunch of munchies, a few buds and watch 3 football games. Well sometimes by the third one we have gone for a hot tub with cigars and some serious man chat.

Of course the Canadian Thanksgiving is the second weekend in October. We like to get it in before the nasty weather starts. lol

Anyways Happy Thanksgiving to all of you American Patriots

Have a wonderful weekend and be thankful for what we have been given and for our guides who have been working over time through these interesting times.
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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:45 pm

Chief Joseph Newsletter
Conversations with Chief Joseph & John Cali

November 24, 2009

Listen to our Chief Joseph podcasts here.


In two days the USA will celebrate its annual Thanksgiving holiday.
For most Americans it's an important celebration, and the prelude to
the December holiday season.

John Cali

Thanksgiving, as the name indicates, is about giving thanks for all
the blessings we have in our lives. Leaders, political and religious,
urge us to be grateful for the good we enjoy, usually things such as
our health, homes, families, friends, jobs, etc.

I'm all in favor of being grateful for our blessings. Too often we
forget about the good and focus only on the "bad" stuff. So
Thanksgiving is a great reminder that we all have much to be thankful
for, no matter what our circumstances.

But this year I'd like to shift the focus of Thanksgiving a bit to
what I consider the greatest blessing of all.

Have you ever thought about being thankful, at Thanksgiving or any
time of year, for you? Do you take time to be grateful for who you
are, for the gift you are to yourselves and to others? Do you take
time to truly appreciate and love yourselves?

I know I don't always.

Here's Chief Joseph.

Chief Joseph

Friends, this is one of the biggest "flaws" we see in humans. It's not
really a flaw, certainly not a fatal flaw. But it is a huge block to
living the life of your dreams.

If you do not truly and deeply love yourselves you will never find it
easy to love and appreciate others. You will find it difficult to love
and appreciate any aspect of your lives. You may have moments of
happiness, even bliss. But you will not find lasting happiness until
you get your priorities straight.

What is your top and first priority? You! Period!

We know your society does not promote putting yourselves first. After
all that's selfish. But selfish is good!

Until you tend to yourselves first you cannot do or be what you'd like
to for others. Want to be of service to others? Then be of service to
yourselves first.

We know many of you are uncomfortable with being loving and kind to
yourselves. So we have a few suggestions to help you remove that block
and move into a happier more fulfilling life.

Every morning when you first awaken spend a few seconds in front of a
mirror. Look deeply into your own eyes and say "I love you, (your

That may feel uncomfortable and even phony to you at first. But
continue doing it every day. Soon it will feel normal and natural. You
will feel the warmth and wonder of your love and appreciation for

It takes only a few seconds a day. But the rewards you reap will be
huge. You will literally transform your lives with this simple
exercise. You will learn to deeply love and appreciate you -- the
divine beings you all are. You will learn to deeply love and
appreciate all others, all that is.

You are God. It's time to start seeing yourselves through the eyes of
God, through your own eyes.

Then you will know the true meaning of Thanksgiving.

Since 1992, John Cali has been communicating with a non-physical
entity called Joseph. In one of his many physical lifetimes, this
was incarnated as the legendary Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce tribe
in what is now the state of Oregon in the northwestern USA. These
messages are a blend of information from Joseph, other spirits in the
"Joseph group," and John.

Copyright ©️ 2008 by John Cali. All rights reserved.
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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:46 pm

and ya gotta luv the turkey

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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:54 am

Happy Thanksgiving to my American neighbours. Enjoy your family, your friends and your freedom as we do up here. Even though we are living in chaotic times (some say we ain't seen nothing yet) we need to appreciate the fact that we are living! And that we have to freedom to enjoy places like this to discuss our thoughts and views. I pop into this site every now and then to see what's new and even though I don't often post, I'm listening, learning and the odd time, laughing (never at you...always with you) Life's too short to spend it in front of a box whether it be a TV or computer so for the most part....I'm out there living!! Enjoy life...grab it by the horns and hold on because too often the ride is too short... cheers
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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:11 pm

Hey, Buscardora ...thanks for dropping by with such a beautiful message for Thanksgiving!

Yes, all we have is this moment. Enjoying ourselves with our loved ones is all that matters.
Love, laugh, hug and tell others how much you love and appreciate them.
Have a great day everybody! toast
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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:58 pm

gobble, gobble.......
thinking about you all on this day...
wishing and sending you all good vibes
p e a c e
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PostSubject: Re: timeline for the holiday   Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:40 pm

We are thinking about you too sweet WH.
Wishing you nothing but love and happiness. my love
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