Another side to religion, Victimhood.

Humanity needs a redeemer who is not of this planet. Develops dependency issues.



Child thought manipulation. Sin & Guilt manipulation.



There are no teachings about the nature of consciousness. No originality/ just stolen ideals and characters. Why does a God of Love demand a sacrifice?
Glorification of the Victim. How does one deal with victimhood. Through a False solution.



Allows the acceptance of victimization. Suffering now has a redeeming value. Opens the door for some hardcore manipulation. Secret Society goldmine!
Take away peoples responsibility to deal with their suffering, takes away their power. Destroy the ideal that earth is a living feminine being.



Religions will destroy themselves. People will form groups free of religion and go into a more pagan/nature style of spirituality. Dropping out of religion.



I don't necessarily agree with this guy but it was a great interview and a ton of his views rang true with me. A lot of powerful ideals about how religion controls people (Which it does yet it is all relative) and how one should drop out of it, almost as if to compare it to highschool or our educational system. But then what is waiting for those who drop out of their school or their religion, anything positive? Or better yet who is waiting for those who do drop out.
I am sure this is the next part of this game. A cool belief system that is anti religion ready to grab all of those whom recognize the lies of religion, yet who controls this new belief system?

In comparing it to the school system. To me our schools are backwards in so many ways and for one to drop out due to recognizing this, makes perfect sense. But what is waiting for those who drop out? With regards to school a lot of negative things and negative people. One has to be really strong in order to make it when dropping out.

Now for those who do, and I am friends with a lot of drop outs, best friends actually, they are very gifted and spiritually strong. Props to them. But I also have a lot of friends who didnt do so well for themselves. It would be easier for me to drop out of the religion game compared to others. Like people in the south for instance, where ones religion is a highschool. Its required at all times, peoples families will freak out and banish them etc. So what is the solution?

An ideological war! like this guy wants. Lets create mini pagan groups who aren't really pagans??? His agenda towards religion almost feels like a religious agenda. His break down was excellent but his solution doesnt seem as well thought out to me. Just dropping out is very different from starting a war. But it is a start. We do need to recognize our earth as a living energy compared to being some Object a guy in the sky made. I think a lot of people are headed towards this direction. Bringing back the ideals of consciousness into science. Soul Science. This is the direction I believe we should be going.

To me one way religion is so powerful is bc it is a school for families. Not just the individual. People really dont know how to raise a family. There are no schools to show one how to do this, except for religion and nature, I guess. Therapy I guess is another type of school but its not really offered to those who are just starting out. Where can one go to , in order to learn about how to raise a family? I want something better than religion, nature and therapy. Something more evolved.

This whole debate about religion is also another reason why people are calling themselves "spiritual" compared to "religious". I think we need to evolve from all past ideas and create something new. I hate how there are only two options for everything. Your either a capitalist or a socialist. You either have a religion or your an atheist. Democrat or republican. I hope we can evolve from these ideals and beliefs. Into something more. Because I feel its like a trap when you disagree with the current majority ideal of whatever. It results in you being lead into past opposing ideals. I like to step outside of this box or game of back and forth. Instead of capitalism vs socialism, why not something new? I am still waiting for that to come. My generation really hasnt had that experience. I guess one could say that technology is the new thing, but when I think about it. Technology really hasnt done anything to form new ideals with regards to the majority. I think it is advancing far beyond us in fact, somehow we need to catch up. This is why people are so brainwashed about the 2012 ideal. It is a new type of Jesus. It will be the new messiah. To help humanity compared to us helping ourselves. It will bring us up to speed with regards our evolution. Will it?? Of course it will, but when it doesnt what will you do? Look for the new date, 2033, cause jesus only lived to the age 33 and he was told he was god when he was 12 thus 2033 is the real date, lol.

I agree with you about religion-- we have outgrown it and from what I could gather some of the Nag Hammandi (sp) scrolls were about consciousness - we have only seen a fragment from what I understand -

What are the Nag Hammandi scrolls? Another thing this topic got me thinking was what is the difference between ones soul and ones consciousness? Because the bible does discuss the soul, now whats the difference between the two? If they are the same thing or if they have a correlation with one another, then the bible does in fact discuss the nature of consciousness in a way. I know what the guy meant, with regards to his view. But I would have to read his book to gain a better perspective. Soul vs Consciousness

Good questions--Ive thought of them myself.

here is an aricle from Wikipedia about the discovery of the scrolls in Nag Hammandi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi

Nag Hammandi - called here the Divine Within - Gnostics and Nag Hammandi--came from the readings of the scrolls found in Nag Hammandi:


I read the lost books of the Bible and especially the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch is free for download on the internet there are two kinds I believe = with one being more detailed than the other.

If you have some time there is a documentary on youtube about the books that were banned from the bible, here is the first one of the series




in case some one might be interested - here is a link for the Book of Enoch
free pdf download (starts on page 12)
http://barnabasnagy.com/enoch.pdf

What makes the Book of Enoch so captivating is that he was taken up by God (translated or ascended) saw and wrote about Heaven -
He wrote the Book of Watchers - giants with six fingers and toes --- things we are finding today in archeological digs but are hushed up --- Enoch wrote that when the fallen sons of man 'knew' the women of earth who were fair the offspring were giants that were cruel and ate people.

further research into that will take one into ancient legends which confirm a race of giants who preyed on and ate people.

really good thread NWO...glad you started it !

Talk about links... I just accidently stumbled upon these videos tonight and watched them. Very interesting, I wish they went further. The Mandeans always interested me as well as the Knights Templar (who I believe we will never know the truth about).